Is EK the new TT for water cooling?

[Warchild]

not accurate at all. As stated look at AIO's those are alu rads and have been around long enough to say that alu is not hard to maintain. The user will just have t make sure they use the proper fluid each and every time they service it. With EK's longevity in the wc community I do not see that being an issue.

And hopefully they know the correct one based on the fact these Alu parts will be part of a kit for the time being with a breakout option in the future.

 

[AlienALX]

Side question: Are any of you bothered that EK is trying to bring custom cooling to the masses, thereby taking a 'niche' segment of the PC world and making it mainstream?

Personally, I'm all for it. Yes I know, I don't have a custom loop (yet) but anything that sparks an interest in building your own rig is a good thing.

IMO the price of water cooling is not the factor they need to overcome. As an example recently I got a full cover EK block and back plate for my Fury X for £35 (collected locally). I then paid £30 for a nice fat rad and bought a bunch of Bitspower fittings for 99p each. IIRC I bought 12. I then spent anoter £10 on some more cheap fittings and a fill hole.

So I would estimate I spent around £80 all in. I bought a pump/res from Ebay for £22. Maybe I spent £85 with the coolant?

It's not about that though. It's about getting over the fear of making water flow around a PC. Going alu will bring the price down but it still will not convince people it's safe (see also Dicehunter). And that's understandable, I was 42 before I ever fully water cooled a PC.

Then of course you have the problem of AIOs. You can now very easily adapt them to fit any CPU and GPU and they perform around the same as a low price loop. And cost less.

So you basically go around in a big circle and come back to it all being about the looks. And those prepared to spend on that are *really* prepared to spend on it and won't want alu stuff.

 

[Warchild]

IMO the price of water cooling is not the factor they need to overcome. As an example recently I got a full cover EK block and back plate for my Fury X for £35 (collected locally). I then paid £30 for a nice fat rad and bought a bunch of Bitspower fittings for 99p each. IIRC I bought 12. I then spent anoter £10 on some more cheap fittings and a fill hole.

So I would estimate I spent around £80 all in. I bought a pump/res from Ebay for £22. Maybe I spent £85 with the coolant?

It's not about that though. It's about getting over the fear of making water flow around a PC. Going alu will bring the price down but it still will not convince people it's safe (see also Dicehunter). And that's understandable, I was 42 before I ever fully water cooled a PC.

Then of course you have the problem of AIOs. You can now very easily adapt them to fit any CPU and GPU and they perform around the same as a low price loop. And cost less.

So you basically go around in a big circle and come back to it all being about the looks. And those prepared to spend on that are *really* prepared to spend on it and won't want alu stuff.

exactly. I have been watercooling for years, even now, with the release of the watercooled PSU's id be skeptical.

 

[mb67]

IMO the price of water cooling is not the factor they need to overcome. As an example recently I got a full cover EK block and back plate for my Fury X for £35 (collected locally). I then paid £30 for a nice fat rad and bought a bunch of Bitspower fittings for 99p each. IIRC I bought 12. I then spent anoter £10 on some more cheap fittings and a fill hole.

So I would estimate I spent around £80 all in. I bought a pump/res from Ebay for £22. Maybe I spent £85 with the coolant?

It's not about that though. It's about getting over the fear of making water flow around a PC. Going alu will bring the price down but it still will not convince people it's safe (see also Dicehunter). And that's understandable, I was 42 before I ever fully water cooled a PC.

Then of course you have the problem of AIOs. You can now very easily adapt them to fit any CPU and GPU and they perform around the same as a low price loop. And cost less.

So you basically go around in a big circle and come back to it all being about the looks. And those prepared to spend on that are *really* prepared to spend on it and won't want alu stuff.

I do agree with you, but it was just a random thought that I had.

Heh, another side note (You'll find out that I'm famous for random thoughts/side notes ) I built my first PC last year at the age of 48.

 

[Bartacus]

So you basically go around in a big circle and come back to it all being about the looks. And those prepared to spend on that are *really* prepared to spend on it and won't want alu stuff.

Truth! Ask anyone who bought a Singularity Computers res + pump mount. That stuff cost WAY more than any AIO or "loop in a box".

 

[AlienALX]

Truth! Ask anyone who bought a Singularity Computers res + pump mount. That stuff cost WAY more than any AIO or "loop in a box".

If it wasn't about that Bitspower would not exist. Seriously, £18 for one fitting?

:rollinglaugh:

But which fittings do we see more than any others? yup, Bitspower.

 

[Bartacus]

Of course, because they make really nice overpriced stuff. BP makes nice gear, albeit at rapist prices.

 

[Korreborg]

You can't use the 85£. In a comparison you need to look at new parts, and a 10 series block alone costs 100£. I'll probably end in the 5-600£ range. For full system with 1 gpu, a d5 and 2 rads.

 

[mb67]

You can't use the 85£. In a comparison you need to look at new parts, and a 10 series block alone costs 100£. I'll probably end in the 5-600£ range. For full system with 1 gpu, a d5 and 2 rads.

For me, two 10 Series GPU's, AM4 block, and D5 pump/res, not to mention rads and fittings. I'm looking at $800 USD, or £625.

 

[AlienALX]

You can't use the 85£. In a comparison you need to look at new parts, and a 10 series block alone costs 100£. I'll probably end in the 5-600£ range. For full system with 1 gpu, a d5 and 2 rads.

Why? it's what GPU I have. Why would I buy a new 1080 block when I don't have a 1080.

The fittings rad tubing and fluid were all brand new.

 

[Tappindatass]

Hopefully I can clear things up with this post. As long as proper coolant, I don't see an issue with corrosion.

Overall, most people wouldn't notice the difference between copper and aluminum. That really isn't an issue.

The problem is EK. They don't seem to do any production samplings of their products. They ship products that are broken out of the box.

The EK Supremacy EVO is my favorite block in terms of aesthetics. However, now that they make aluminum products, I don't trust them not have any happy accidents with that jet plate.

Furthermore, I don't think they'll steal anyone from AIO market.

 

[Warchild]

Hopefully I can clear things up with this post. As long as proper coolant, I don't see an issue with corrosion.

Overall, most people wouldn't notice the difference between copper and aluminum. That really isn't an issue.

The problem is EK. They don't seem to do any production samplings of their products. They ship products that are broken out of the box.

The EK Supremacy EVO is my favorite block in terms of aesthetics. However, now that they make aluminum products, I don't trust them not have any happy accidents with that jet plate.

Furthermore, I don't think they'll steal anyone from AIO market.

Coolants can break down over time too you know. Even if I was told with 100% certainty that it would never lead to corrosion, I would still not mix metals.

When someone is so biased against a company because of a little bad experience from them, its hard to take a post with any value. All I have seen you do is bash EK.

I haven't had any issues with them at all. My HTPC is still rocking the starter kit I bought from them 4years ago. If they want to bring watercooling to the mainstream by using Aluminium then that is great. It brings in more competitive brands/pricing and benefits enthusiasts too with availability on components. The whol concept here is that the Kits are used solely with the contents provided.

We have a user who recently went to work for EK. I'm pretty sure he would disagree with most of what you have said.

 

[AlienALX]

TBH the worst sort of metal mixing you can do is when you actually bolt them touching up together. If you connect brass to alu? I think it is? the alu basically corrodes.

I remember watching an ep of Wheeler Dealers and Edd was working on an Aston Martin. I'm sure it was brass and alu pipes, but the alu pipes were toast.

 

[evilcorp]

Hopefully I can clear things up with this post. As long as proper coolant, I don't see an issue with corrosion.

Overall, most people wouldn't notice the difference between copper and aluminum. That really isn't an issue.

The problem is EK. They don't seem to do any production samplings of their products. They ship products that are broken out of the box.

The EK Supremacy EVO is my favorite block in terms of aesthetics. However, now that they make aluminum products, I don't trust them not have any happy accidents with that jet plate.

Furthermore, I don't think they'll steal anyone from AIO market.

All companies make errors with their product lines. EK is a good case in point that they released the leaky predator AIO product. Which was tested fully but developed a fault.
From a business and marketing point of view they did the best thing and recalled the units and paid for damage that was caused by leaks.

The purpose of the new EK kit isnt to steal anyone from the AIO market but to encourage people who are interested in watercooling but see the price a problem. Most AIO users are looking for convenience not the maintenance of a custom loop. The kit also takes the hassle away from the end user of having to select the right parts that fit together.