Intel's Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X CPUs will not be soldered

[TheF34RChannel]

People are quick to assume that using TIM rather than solder is a cost cutting exercise. There could be other practical/engineering reasons why they are using TIM instead of solder. I have heard it argued by engineers that soldered IHS can suffer from the repeated heating and cooling cycle and degrade over time. Granted, Intel could use a better TIM as many common products are better than what Intel has used on the last generation. I will wait to see what the CPU is like when released and when someone manages to delid the IHS.
I have delidded every Intel processor i have had for quite a few generations now and replaced the TIM/solder with liquid metal which is far superior to both in my experience

You are a brave man in my book for delidding and replacing the tim!

Perhaps these will have top of line tim?

7900X delid by Der8auer:



From the guy who leaked the entire lineup recently:

Juicy info about Turbo clocks.

- Core i9-7900X: 4.3/4.3/4.1/4.1/4.1/4.1/4.0/4.0/4.0/4.0 (TB 2.0) / 4.5 (TB 3.0)

All core Turbo up by 600 MHz compared to Core i7-6950X, 1-2 core Turbo up by 800-1000 MHz.

That's not bad at all!

 

[AngryGoldfish]

People are quick to assume that using TIM rather than solder is a cost cutting exercise. There could be other practical/engineering reasons why they are using TIM instead of solder. I have heard it argued by engineers that soldered IHS can suffer from the repeated heating and cooling cycle and degrade over time. Granted, Intel could use a better TIM as many common products are better than what Intel has used on the last generation. I will wait to see what the CPU is like when released and when someone manages to delid the IHS.
I have delidded every Intel processor i have had for quite a few generations now and replaced the TIM/solder with liquid metal which is far superior to both in my experience

I've just started watching Mr Robot. Considering I'm not a big fan of TV, it's pretty damn good. 10/10. Would hack.

 

[evilcorp]

You are a brave man in my book for delidding and replacing the tim!

Brave or stupid. I'm not always certain which one. I have a delid die mate now. I was using the vice method before and on a couple of occasions have seen it go flying. You heart sinks when you see your new processor go 5ft in air and land virtually undamaged.

 

[evilcorp]

I've just started watching Mr Robot. Considering I'm not a big fan of TV, it's pretty damn good. 10/10. Would hack.

Im not a big fan of TV but heard about the show at defcon and how it captured the hacking mentality perfectly. It was also fairly technically accurate which I love. I love Mr robot

 

[NeverBackDown]

I do think that's the point as I see it. Many are jumping straight to conclusions while we haven't seen a single review yet. I'd like to see those first before I form my conclusion. Of course I'm disappointed as well, however I prefer to have all the facts first is all.

The fact is that it is lower quality and the cheaper way to get it done. That doesn't need any review at all. It's a fact. Even if they are fine temp wise it's just the point that Intel are once again trying to charge more yet lower the quality and reduce the price to produce the CPUs to make even more money. Yes business wise it's smart, but they constantly raise prices. There is a point where it just becomes a smack in the face.

 

[Korreborg]

The fact is that it is lower quality and the cheaper way to get it done. That doesn't need any review at all. It's a fact. Even if they are fine temp wise it's just the point that Intel are once again trying to charge more yet lower the quality and reduce the price to produce the CPUs to make even more money. Yes business wise it's smart, but they constantly raise prices. There is a point where it just becomes a smack in the face.

Lower quality with your perspective.

2 CPUs
Intel makes a CPU, it Turbo boosts and have a limit of 105. In the worst possible situation the supplied thermal paste handels the job its suppose to.
AMD pick soldering, its better at keeping the temp down.
7 years from now, the soldering have expanded and contracted 10000 times, and fails killing the cpu. The intel cpu keeps going. Is that better quality?

I would perfer soldering, but there are a million ways to look at the quality term/what a company should do.
Intel makes a stable cpu, that is suppose to last forever. And for the few OC enthusiasts that needs a thrill, they can have some fun and exitment delidding their cpus. (Isn't liquid metal better that solder??)

 

[evilcorp]

Lower quality with your perspective.

2 CPUs
Intel makes a CPU, it Turbo boosts and have a limit of 105. In the worst possible situation the supplied thermal paste handels the job its suppose to.
AMD pick soldering, its better at keeping the temp down.
7 years from now, the soldering have expanded and contracted 10000 times, and fails killing the cpu. The intel cpu keeps going. Is that better quality?

I would perfer soldering, but there are a million ways to look at the quality term/what a company should do.
Intel makes a stable cpu, that is suppose to last forever. And for the few OC enthusiasts that needs a thrill, they can have some fun and exitment delidding their cpus. (Isn't liquid metal better that solder??)

Exactly. With the millions that Intel invests in r and d. The cost of soldering the ihs is minimal and when your manufacturing thousands per day using an automated process. I don't think it's a cost cutting exercise. It's more likely to be an engineering reason why they are using tim.

I have delidded soldered ihs and seen Temps on water drop 18-20c. A lot of people In the market for high end cpu are going to remove the ihs whether it's soldered or tim