Illegal downloaders to lose net connection

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This is a new concept to UK users. Taken shamelessly from BBC News:

Illegal downloaders 'face UK ban'

Illegal file sharing costs the music and film industry millions

People in the UK who go online and illegally download music and films may have their internet access cut under plans the government is considering.

A draft consultation Green Paper suggests internet service providers would be required to take action over users who access pirated material.

Under a "three strikes" rule they would receive an e-mail warning, suspension, and then termination of their contract.

Six million people a year are estimated to download files illegally in the UK.

Music and film companies claim that the illegal downloads cost them millions of pounds in lost revenues.

The proposals are part of a Green Paper - a consultation document issued by the government - on the creative industries that is due to be published next week.

The government proposals were first reported by the Times newspaper.

'Reluctance'

The Times suggested that broadband firms which failed to enforce the rules could be prosecuted, and the details of customers suspected of making illegal downloads made available to the courts.

According to the Times, the draft paper states: "We will move to legislate to require internet service providers to take action on illegal file sharing."

Some of the UK's biggest internet providers, such as BT, Virgin and Tiscali have been in talks with the entertainment industry over introducing a voluntary scheme for policing pirate activity, but no agreement has been reached.

So far, they have failed to resolve how disputed allegations would be arbitrated - for example, when customers claim other people have been "piggybacking" on their internet service.

"No country has actually introduced these rules and internet service providers are likely to be very reluctant," Chris Cooke, founder of music newsletter CMU Daily told the BBC.

Voluntary scheme

A spokesman for the Internet Service Providers Association told the Times it remained hopeful that a deal over a voluntary system could still emerge.

"Every right-thinking body knows that self-regulation is much the better option in these areas," he said.

A spokesman for the Department for Culture, Media and Sport said: "Early drafts of our creative economy programme document were circulated to stakeholders for comment."

"The content and proposals for the strategy have been significantly developed since then and a comprehensive plan to bolster the UK's creative industries will be published shortly," he explained.

"We will not comment on the content of the leaked document."

Is it fair or not? I for one have mixed feelings :(

Source - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7240234.stm
 
it means they will moniter everything we download...

and asmuch as i can see where they're coming from THAT IS JUST NOT ON
 
How exactly do they plan to enforce this?

Is it just p2p?

What about newsgoups? Where you pay for a server connection?

Virgin can lick my sack. If they terminate my connection, I mean my friends, I'll just go with Sky+, then someone else, then someone else.
 
name='ionicle' said:
it means they will moniter everything we download...

and asmuch as i can see where they're coming from THAT IS JUST NOT ON
You can't be that naive to think that they don't already? As for self regulation, it quite clearly isn't working...hence the need to get a little tougher. Many ISP's turn a blind eye to what their customers download simply because they get to charge for the additional usage (plan dependent of course).
 
from what a friend of mine who works at hull's ISP (kingston communication) told me, they dont moniter anything unless told to do so by the govt, or if the person is downloading an unusually high amount of stuff...

but that is utter crap

they cant be alowed to do that

what about privacy?!
 
interesting

I would guess it would mostly be P2P stuff & Bittorrent, like what BT were already doing ages ago.

There was one letter from BT to some bloke saying they had stopped his connection as he had downloaded movies, including the filenames of the movies downloaded via bittorrent.

I'm not worried as I only really download stuff via iTunes and the only software is updates or opensource :)

I try to stay away from bittorrent and P2P. I've never trusted P2P in terms of security & usage.

People who I know, who use P2P's computers are always full of spyware and virus's. Aswell as having MP3's with the wrong tags lol :) last time they had a album by Amy Wimehouse :rolleyes:

I thought something similar to this was already in operation by BT in areas with LLU networks? aswell as being able to track down pedo's.
 
name='ionicle' said:
from what a friend of mine who works at hull's ISP (kingston communication) told me, they dont moniter anything unless told to do so by the govt, or if the person is downloading an unusually high amount of stuff...

but that is utter crap

they cant be alowed to do that

what about privacy?!

It`s actually correct.

The ISPs don`t have the capacity to monitor every1. U`d need quite a bit more than an oc`d Q9450 and 50million teras of space.
 
i've p2p'd and torrented for years, no viruses spyware or any problems of any kind, and no antivirus or anti spyware running either. if you use ya common sense you don't get infected.

as for this ban, it'l never happen far too much work would be required to monitor EVERYONE as rast said, it'd probably cost more to implement the needed hardware/software to get this setup, and in the end. the ISP's will just lose money through lost customers because lets face it, in truth who DOESN'T download the odd music track for free? i mean c'mon?!

they want to cut off everyone?!

it won't get passed.

I know anyone who's been with diamond cable/ntl/virgin since the early days can't be monitored, as when they tried to cap the broadband it turned out alot fo the early lines can't be monitored anyway so i've never had a cap on my connection lol.. (which is probably why its never been solidly implemented in the t&c's)

still.. i guess we'll see...
 
name='ionicle' said:
from what a friend of mine who works at hull's ISP (kingston communication) told me, they dont moniter anything unless told to do so by the govt, or if the person is downloading an unusually high amount of stuff...

but that is utter crap

they cant be alowed to do that

what about privacy?!

ISP invading users privacy is only as bad as user's stealing digital goods in the first place. Look at it from the other side of things for a change.
 
name='SuB' said:
i've p2p'd and torrented for years, no viruses spyware or any problems of any kind, and no antivirus or anti spyware running either. if you use ya common sense you don't get infected.

as for this ban, it'l never happen far too much work would be required to monitor EVERYONE as rast said, it'd probably cost more to implement the needed hardware/software to get this setup, and in the end. the ISP's will just lose money through lost customers because lets face it, in truth who DOESN'T download the odd music track for free? i mean c'mon?!

they want to cut off everyone?!

it won't get passed.

I know anyone who's been with diamond cable/ntl/virgin since the early days can't be monitored, as when they tried to cap the broadband it turned out alot fo the early lines can't be monitored anyway so i've never had a cap on my connection lol.. (which is probably why its never been solidly implemented in the t&c's)

still.. i guess we'll see...

are they not already doing this in france meaning its very possible.
 
Wouldnt they be able to set up a filter just like colleges/schools do. If you type in the address/IP it flags you up. So many flags and your out.

Surely this will just result in "underground" Isps? meaning in the end of it all - those who choose to use them will be funding criminals etc. etc.

mebbe if they lower prices peeps wont hav to download?
 
Tbh even if they implement this at full capacity monitoring everyone there would still probably be a way around it. Theyd just use that

Theres always a way around something.
 
When they say that industries are loosing out on millions because of illegal downloads I dont think its quite true. Because how many people do you think download stuff just because they can, for instance just because someone downloads an album doesnt mean that if they wernt able to they would go out and buy it. Some people just download for the sake of it.

As for monitoring everything, how much hdd space would that take up.
 
Can cut my house off if they want, would do anything to get rid of our awful ntl service..

How many people have ever been caught and convicted stealing copyrights, etc?

Its all talk, and its all bull.

You hear so much more about clamping down on child pornography, violent pornography etc than you do about this.
 
6 Million? yea right, try 20 million. Nobody is going to say goodbye to that sort of custom. I dont know a single person in my age group who doesnt download the occasional song, and each one of them represents a paying household.

If they do, I shall be rushing to the bank to get a loan to start my own ISP.
 
name='BloomerzUK' said:
It's not like the Music and Film industries are going bankrupt..

and that makes it ok? to break the law because your not happy with the price. Thats exactly the same as saying, o i dont like the price of that shiny new apple mac in pc world so im going to try and nick it. I really do start to wonder if people have morals these days (this isnt aimed at you bloomerzuk). It would appear i have more than most, but perhaps im weird.
 
name='Hyper' said:
Some people just download for the sake of it.

I agree :(

See so many people boasting about downloading apps etc, but never using them or even not knowing what they do.

Reminds me of when my m8 downloaded 3DSMax & bragged it was worth loads of money etc, then asked me what it did. :rolleyes:
 
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