i7 3930K or I7 3820

[Vicey]

Ivy Bridge? - It's nothing but a die shrink unless you meant Haswell. Haswell is the next big performance increase and after reading your frankly arsey comment saying everyone else was wrong it's interesting you think IB is so much faster and that the IB version of other SB chips will be much better, which is in fact not the case.

Did I say everyone else was wrong? No. I said OsTech's advice was poor. Is Ivy Bridge faster than Sandy Bridge? Yes. Did I say it was very much faster? No. I said it was faster than a 3820 which it is.

Did I suggest he wait for LGA 2011 Ivy Bridge E? No. I was making him aware of the wait as he said he wanted to wait for Ivy Bridge.

And the reason I posted what I did about OsTech is because his advice was poor. Telling people to turn off SpeedStep and change some NVIDIA graphics options is just poor advice akin to telling someone to run a Memory defragmenter or other nonsense. Then he tells him to turn VSYNC off to get a higher FPS, Higher than his display will even show and then proceeds to tell him that tearing (due to VSYNC being off) could be SLI Micro Stuttering. This is just bad advice. And I don't mind taking the loss of stars in my profile from you two for saying the truth here.

I did not mean to hurt anyones feelings I can tell you and him are upset and I apologise but I stand by my post that his advice wasn't very good.

 

[TheOsTech]

Vicey you are clearly having trouble understanding so I will try to help you. If you don't know what those options are in the NVidia control panel you should look them up. the purpose of the changes is to provide higher quality not more frame rate. except of course for triple buffering as that helps keep your frame rate from dropping to 30 when it cant do 60. Also if you will re read you will notice that I had him turn on v sync in the drivers so in fact v sync is always on. I don't understand where you make the connection between screen tearing and micro stuttering as they are completely separate issues. Further(in case you did not know) speed step can cause frame rate dips in less cpu intensive games with v sync on.

no ones feelings are hurt I just don't think you understand the things we are talking about. anyways no hard feeling, just maybe leave it to the pro's or at least try to understand what you post about before you blast someone else based on your own ignorance.

 

[PetrolHead247]

Vicey you are clearly having trouble understanding so I will try to help you. If you don't know what those options are in the NVidia control panel you should look them up. the purpose of the changes is to provide higher quality not more frame rate. except of course for triple buffering as that helps keep your frame rate from dropping to 30 when it cant do 60. Also if you will re read you will notice that I had him turn on v sync in the drivers so in fact v sync is always on. I don't understand where you make the connection between screen tearing and micro stuttering as they are completely separate issues. Further(in case you did not know) speed step can cause frame rate dips in less cpu intensive games with v sync on.

no ones feelings are hurt I just don't think you understand the things we are talking about. anyways no hard feeling, just maybe leave it to the pro's or at least try to understand what you post about before you blast someone else based on your own ignorance.

You realise you can just change all those settings in game right? I don't mess with my catalyst settings much at all, i just adjust in game settings to my liking

 

[TheOsTech]

yes indeed you can set the v sync option in almost all games. However some console ports(dcuo for example) will limit the frame rate to 30 with in game v sync that is why you set it in the drivers. also a few games, though not many, do not have this option.

 

[Vicey]

Vicey you are clearly having trouble understanding so I will try to help you. If you don't know what those options are in the NVidia control panel you should look them up. the purpose of the changes is to provide higher quality not more frame rate. except of course for triple buffering as that helps keep your frame rate from dropping to 30 when it cant do 60. Also if you will re read you will notice that I had him turn on v sync in the drivers so in fact v sync is always on. I don't understand where you make the connection between screen tearing and micro stuttering as they are completely separate issues. Further(in case you did not know) speed step can cause frame rate dips in less cpu intensive games with v sync on.

no ones feelings are hurt I just don't think you understand the things we are talking about. anyways no hard feeling, just maybe leave it to the pro's or at least try to understand what you post about before you blast someone else based on your own ignorance.

I don't want to get in to a big thing with you about this but I think your advice wasn't very good and I still think that.

Speedstep is a very useful feature for lowering power consumption and saving us all a little on our bills. There is no good reason for disabling it. If a game doesn't cause high enough CPU usage to warrant the processor entering its high performance mode then it wasn't needed in the first place. Sure in older titles that are CPU bottlenecked it will make an FPS difference to turn Speedstep off I grant you that, but we are talking the difference between 250 and 300 fps more than any consumer LCD can display by several orders of magnitude.

And yes you did tell him to turn vsync on in the drivers but you also told him to turn it off in the games. Some games override the NVIDIA settings whilst other games can get graphical artifacts when you force settings on in the NVIDIA control panel that the games do not support. You do not know which games he is using and you didn't tell him to alter the settings for each specific game. These are just global settings and it is bad advice to tell someone to do such a thing.

One of the most popular games out at the moment is Minecraft and one of the settings you told him to turn on ([font=Verdana, sans-serif, FreeSans]Triple Buffering) causes visible in-game frame skipping every few seconds. But you didn't ask him what game he plays you just told him to set this thing globally. What if he does play Minecraft and then wonders why he is getting these in-game hiccups?[/font]

[font=Verdana, sans-serif, FreeSans]Now in the last paragraph you claim to be a Pro but if you were I'd expect you to know these things. Again I am not trying to agitate you or anger you. I'm just trying to explain where your advice in this specific instance is not very good. I don't doubt your other contributions on these and other forums have been good.[/font]

 

[TheOsTech]

I would have to agree that speed step is a great way to save on power but it will affect some games so that really all comes down to personal choice. do you mind a couple of dollars more on your power bill or do you want all your games to stay at 60 all the time?

As for triple buffering it is extremely rare for any game to have any issue with that. while I cant claim to know every game ever run and how it will effect it I would have to say hands down its the way to go if you use v sync. If you ever found a game that it did not work out for you simply turn it off in that games profile. though I have yet to see one.

Try to keep in mind as with all advice there is no absolute all encompassing truth that is right for everyone in every situation. there will always be exceptions to the rule that is why we have the options in the first place. so you set global setting to what are best for you in 99.9% of what you might play. to say someone's advice is bad because you think you know of one exception to the rule that might cause a slight issue or it doesn't suit your personal preference means you have unrealistic expectations. Also keep in mind that the pro's don't know everything about everything they are just more experienced then most because they work with it every day and are always learning new things. The point of the changes suggested is to help get him on the right track for a system that is going to give him the best experience possible. So I firmly stand by my advice as not just good advice but great advice

On that note if you have a link to a forum where they talk about this mincraft problem I would love to read it.