I think AMD are gonna loose this round

[boardy]

In a way I'm half glad my CPU died after reading these results for Conroe.

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716&p=1

Something tells me, a fair few people here will be jumping the AMD boat soon.

Boardy

 

[sacha35]

Yes it does look good for Intel but have you heard about AM3

 

[BigAndy]

Yes it does look good for Intel but have you heard about AM3

WHAT :? :O :O :O

 

[boardy]

Yes it does look good for Intel but have you heard about AM3

Lol, they don't even have AM2 out yet 8)

You can't really argue with those numbers though AM2, 3, 4, 5 watever AMD does. A 30-40% increase in performance over an overclocked FX60 with a stock E6700 conroe just makes it blatently obvious AMD have a LOT to do.

The new FX on the AM2 platform probably FX62 ro 65 seeing as AMD never seem to use normal human counting methods lol, thats still going to be a rough 7-13% increase on the conroe to AMD.

Let's also not forget that the E6700 is NOT a performance aimed chip!! The chip is a standard consumer market chip, the 3.33Ghz EE hasn't been released yet and when it is, I think we are going to see a lot of AMD fanboys cry.

I will admit, for a time I was an AMD fanboy, I wouldn't touch an Intel with a very large stick, but now after using even the P4 670 for a week or so I have completely changed my mind. It actually seems much faster and responsive than my FX chips ever did. It's strange how you go with the flow then when you go to the underdog, it's hard to figure out why you never listened to someone (thicky) before and bit the bullet.

I'm staying Intel for the forseeable future now. Going ATI aswell. This conroe evidence is too much to brush aside.

Boardy

 

[maverik-sg1]

In a way I'm half glad my CPU died after reading these results for Conroe.

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716&p=1

Something tells me, a fair few people here will be jumping the AMD boat soon.

Boardy

Well this can be looked at in several ways:

If you want the fastest platform now (Well in July) then this is for you, keep in mind if you have Nvida SLI then you'll have to switch to crossfire at the same time (although there could be Intel chipset compatable SLI drivers in the not too distant future).

If you want fast encoding then Conroe is not for you

Firstly, if you are happy with 100+ FPS in your games there is no need to swap straight away - it would be wise to wait for the new AM2 platform to be released and check out the direct comparison with the two latest platforms - or you could wait till Feb/March 07 (or even sooner) and wait for Conroe 65nm to be directly compared with 65nm AM2 (currently 90nm but reported to be 7-8% faster than current 939 cpu's so gap is only 12% then).

It's obvious that versus the best AMD has to offer right now Conroe will perform well, but how important is that if you are happy with what you have - also not knowing if in 6 months time AMD has the best platform - it would be a killer to spend such large sums of cash only to find that you gotta change again in 7 months time.

My advice would be to sit this one out, wait a few months and re-visit the situation.

 

[sacha35]

it does look very good for Intel i would agree and a very big step in performance, but when you look back at the chips think about the old 130nm and 90nm chips there was a bit performance boost in them, what Intel have done is take a 65nm chip and put it up against a 90nm chip, yes the 65nm chip will perform better we saw that with the AMD chips, i think it is far to early yet to jump ship and like said when AMD bring out there AM3 next year i think then we can start to compair these chips and say what is best.

 

[maverik-sg1]

but now after using even the P4 670 for a week or so I have completely changed my mind. It actually seems much faster and responsive than my FX chips ever did. It's strange how you go with the flow then when you go to the underdog, it's hard to figure out why you never listened to someone (thicky) before and bit the bullet.

I'm staying Intel for the forseeable future now. Going ATI aswell. This conroe evidence is too much to brush aside.

Boardy

Forgive if I am mistaken - but your comparing an Intel Dual core to an AMD single core CPU - heck my 4600 'felt' more responsive than the FX55

 

[sacha35]

AMD Opterons get number changes

And a new socket

By Charlie Demerjianhttp://www.theinquirer.net/page_controls/charlie@theinquirer.net: Wednesday 29 March 2006, 07:48

ord=Math.random();ord=ord*10000000000;

AT CEBIT we came across a few people mentioning the next AMD socket called, wait for it, AM3.

If you can't figure it out, it is the successor to AM2, and it supports DDR3 while AMD does DDR2. If you look at AMD's future chips, you can see that Santa Rosa does DDR2 and Cerebus does FBD, so that would put AM3 on Deerhound.

Sadly, it looks like AMD's tradition of keeping socket changes to a bare minimum is about to take a cue from Intel. Not socket of the week, exacly, but more socket of the year, not ideal, but a decent compromise for functionality.

That brings up the next question, what will AMD do for names? As a reader pointed out, with Opteron x85s out, that leaves two more speed bumps before it breaks its numbering scheme. Instead of going the Intel Optimal Septimal System route, AMD is going to take on a wholly user comprehensible numbering scheme, and insert a two into the Socket F part numbers.

This means 8xx will become 82xx, 2xx goes 22xx and 1xx begats 12xx. I would guess that AM3 parts will become 83xx and Cerebus will go to T4600.... ummm.... 8Fxx, no that stinks also. Maybe it should hire someone who understands consumers, say from a Korean conglomerate. That would do the trick. µ

 

[boardy]

Forgive if I am mistaken - but your comparing an Intel Dual core to an AMD single core CPU - heck my 4600 'felt' more responsive than the FX55

670 is single core prescot mate

The 930 I have on order is a dual core Presler.

 

[Highland3r]

Don't count AMD out jsut yet

Just cos' Conroe is pwning all the 3D and Pi benchies doesnt make it overall a better chip than the AM2...

Also Conroe/Core is Intels "next gen" chip, AM2 is still "current gen" theres a few "tweaks" that could be done to AM2 to improve performance a lot too. It'll also be interesting to see how the core arcitecture copes with multiple cores/CPU.

It's wait and see time! For 3d/2d benchers though it looks a pretty nice chip to have!

 

[maverik-sg1]

670 is single core prescot mate

The 930 I have on order is a dual core Presler.

OOOOOOOOPPPS My bad!! Apologies.

Maybe it's due to some other reason then (that is 'feels' faster), maybe you have hyperthreading enabled software, or maybe just a clean OS install - or maybe it's just a perception?

Every other benchie in the whole wide world (except video encoding) suggests that your 'feel' is not representative of the 'actual' speed :?

 

[sacha35]

even still you can not compair at the moment, this is far to early as the Intel chip uses DDR3 and is 65nm, and when the AM3 comes out that will be using DDR3 and be 65nm, then we can compair the chips.

 

[Highland3r]

New intels are 65nm using DDR2 not DDR3....

 

[maverik-sg1]

even still you can not compair at the moment, this is far to early as the Intel chip uses DDR3 and is 65nm, and when the AM3 comes out that will be using DDR3 and be 65nm, then we can compair the chips.

Sacha, you need to read other sources before you say something like that (The Inq is as much a rumour mill as it a fact based source).

DDR3 will be server only memory and is in development at this point - it's a possibility that AM2 will support DDR3 also (thats not to say it will be used) - neither are cast in stone. An example of this is that X1800's (aka R520) is DDR4 compatable, DDR4 was never used and probably wont be used in the X1900 (R580).

Intels move to FB memory on the server side carries a lot of merit - if that merit is proven then I doubt we will see DDR3 in AMD Desktop platforms.

The biggest issue we have with this right now is the number of variables and lack of solid information to come up with a tangeable prediction for AMD beyond 2007.

If what some are saying is correct about the life of a socket being only 12months, how long will it be before skt775 (or the ageing 479) are around also.

I much prefer to think that a socket should be the life of a specific architecture ( eg: skt939 suited A64's from 130nm right through to 90nm which I think was 4 years in total).

So a shift to AM2 should now see out 90nm, 65nm and 45nm parts - in a perfect world of course

 

[boardy]

even still you can not compair at the moment, this is far to early as the Intel chip uses DDR3 and is 65nm, and when the AM3 comes out that will be using DDR3 and be 65nm, then we can compair the chips.

Conroe uses DDR2 RAM. I know the differences now but think about it a 30-40% increase in performance over AMD's current stuff. I recon it's still gonna have a 7-13% increase over AMD when AMDs 65nm AM2 stuff comes.

I know what you mean about the relative feel about it mav, I'm using the same apps I always have. I ran a PI on the FX55 and the 670 even beats it on PI which I didnt believe until I ran it again.

I don't know but I think the reason so many people are on AMD is the fact that they read 64bit processor and the chipsets are much better for SLI. As I read though, there is no 64bit processor from any manufacturer yet (mayb motorola actually). The 64bit is only the mem controller.

Boardy

 

[maverik-sg1]

Conroe uses DDR2 RAM. I know the differences now but think about it a 30-40% increase in performance over AMD's current stuff. I recon it's still gonna have a 7-13% increase over AMD when AMDs 65nm AM2 stuff comes.

I know what you mean about the relative feel about it mav, I'm using the same apps I always have. I ran a PI on the FX55 and the 670 even beats it on PI which I didnt believe until I ran it again.

I don't know but I think the reason so many people are on AMD is the fact that they read 64bit processor and the chipsets are much better for SLI. As I read though, there is no 64bit processor from any manufacturer yet (mayb motorola actually). The 64bit is only the mem controller.

Boardy

Yeah but u had to re-install windows right? Thus a clean install??

I will disable a clock on my 60 (as in set affinity to 2nd core) and run at 2.6ghz versus your Intel at stock and blast a Superpi32m and 1m score see which one wins Better still - clock the crap out of it (using a single R402 phase not cascade) and pit your score versus my FX55 in the benchies section - Lars and Fedyama both tried and failed (by 6 seconds so it was very close).

Neither Scorchio or me never ever thought about SLI when we went to A64 (it wasnt out back then), certainly not to the depth of bit processing.

30-40%:? Ahhhhh, I guess you are comparing comparable clocks? Which isn't right coz no-one will down-clock a cpu, it will either be stock or overclock.

I am not disputing any points here - The balanced view is this:

Unless you have a burning desire to get a new PC or are already planning a 2nd complete system upgrade in 9months (after this one) your hard earn cash would be better off waiting til Mar07 before upgrading - then and only then will you have an apples for apples comparison.

All this is great news for me coz I only have to hang on to my benching positons for 2.5months to have defended my title for 12months solid. I can then sit back - pick a system in Mar07 (Intel or AMD), get back to the top (if only for a breif period) and still keep hold of the longest period of supremacy in UK benching history with 4 months to spare

Having said that, I suspect that for the 1st round of Intel releases most will have very comparable systems so I doubt very much if we will see an outright no1 for as long during the 2nd half of this year.

A certain overclocker called KINGPIN will have an AM2 FX62 system at this disposal shortly - be interesting to see what he can wring out of it.

ANANDTECH SUGGESTS THAT AN EE CONROE WILL BE 2.8 or 3.0ghz - what else could they do to this chip to make is EXTREME? not even more cache ffs????

 

[sacha35]

Intel Dual Core chip costs 10 times more than mobo

Can this be right?

By INQUIRER staff: Tuesday 09 May 2006, 13:25

TAIWANESE mobo giant Asus will only charge $250 for a top performing board but the Intel chip that plugs into it will cost a staggering $2,200.

The Asus N4L-VM DH Pentium M Core Duo mobo from Asus has a good turn of speed - its SKU (stock keeping unit) is 47769. It's a rather complex piece of electronics which the marketing boys describe as having "ultra low noise, low power" and Viiv compliance as well as Dolby sound.

The Core Duo 2500 is not a cheap component.

But how can Intel get away with selling the "brains" of a computer at such a high premium? After all, the chipset and every other piece of electronics on the Asus board is the acme of technology.

Please don't answer, but we suspect the reason is because Intel can. It hopes µ

 

[boardy]

The core duo 2500 is a Yonah core, they are rediculous in price (around £250 i think).

Don't quite know what that price is a quote on tbh.

I suppose it's just gonna be me an Thicky who go Conroe first on here so we'll know what they are really like when numbers start coming in from EPUK members. It's going to be 1 fun time to say the least.

Mav as I always said, doesn't matter what platform, I'm coming for you and I know you love the thought of that cos it means you can push things further to stay away. Once I get my phase unit, let the fun begin matey

Boardy