home server help

Devo234

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Hi guys ive been thinking about building a relatively small home server. but i dont really know where to start...

i know i want to use raid 5 but thats only because that what everyone seems to use for servers. is there a better way?
mobo i was thinking about a msi z77ma g45(matx), paired with the g2020 from my main rig when i upgrade. I have the atx version in my main rig and love it and the msi website says it supports raid 5 on the chipset.

i dont need loads of storage so i was thinking 4 x 2tb drives. is there a preferred option for hdds for server use? and a 60gb ssd boot drive.

and finally which version of windows server should i get?

thanks for any help
Devin
 
Well tbh mate you can work out prices based on what you want already.

OS doesnt matter.

HDD wise it doesnt really matter for home use but Id go for green or low RPM drives so they are quiet.


Onboard raid 5 is slow as sh!t though (anything other than 0 is imho)
 
OK then, a few thoughts...

i know i want to use raid 5 but thats only because that what everyone seems to use for servers. is there a better way?

AFAIK, RAID 5 is often used because it's a nice compromise between data security and
not sacrificing too much HDD space for that security. However, RAID IS NOT A BACKUP.

If something goes wrong with your server (for example, several HDDs get fried at the same
time, which happened to me once due to a defective SATA controller), no amount of RAID
will protect your data (or at least you shouldn't rely on it to do so). RAID can give you
some added security and convenience, depending on your specific setup, but it's
not the be-all-end-all protective blanket for your data.

Also, depending on your needs, it is not always absolutely necessary to run a RAID 5 array
for a server, many people are perfectly happily running simple JBOD setups and it works
very well for them (and indeed for four HDDs such as in your case, this is not an unreasonable
suggestion IMO, I did that myself for many years and it did the job just fine).

The critical thing is that if the data on your server is important to you you should have
a separate backup anyway. I backup some stuff from my server, but not everything (not
worth the money, can afford to lose it).

Personally I'm running something similar to RAID 5, specifically ZFS with RAIDZ1 devices,
but I'm assuming since you're intending to run Windows that's not really an option here (if
you were willing to run something else: ZFS is awesome! :D ).

Anyway, sorry for the long essay: RAID 5 is not an unreasonable approach, but whether
or not there is "something better" as you say, depends on your needs, wishes and capabilities.
Regardless of RAID/JBOD I would definitely recommend having a good backup strategy, and if
you wanted you could run JBOD with four drives easily. As with most things, there are advantages
(some added protection, convenience in one single storage pool) and drawbacks (speed, as Tom
has mentioned, and you can't just chuck one drive into something else and use it on its own).

mobo i was thinking about a msi z77ma g45(matx), paired with the g2020 from my main rig when i upgrade. I have the atx version in my main rig and love it and the msi website says it supports raid 5 on the chipset.

That should work, I have the GD65 and am very happy with it. I haven't used onboard RAID
though, so I can't comment on that (see Tom's advice though).

i dont need loads of storage so i was thinking 4 x 2tb drives. is there a preferred option for hdds for server use? and a 60gb ssd boot drive.

I recommend looking at where the sweet spot is regarding price per GB at the moment and
then going with however many drives you think you need/want. Where I live that's currently
between 3 TB and 4 TB drives, depending on manufacturer and model, but $/GB aren't far
off for 2 TB models here, so you can easily go with that.

SSD for boot is a reasonable suggestion.

As for the drives themselves: As Tom says, it doesn't matter too much for home use. Define
what criteria are important to you (speed, low noise, physical form factor), look at what's
available and what it costs and then make a decision. I can recommend the WD Reds from
personal experience (not very fast, but reasonably quiet and decently priced), and Seagate
also make some low-rpm drives.

and finally which version of windows server should i get?

Haven't worked with Win in ages aside from the occasional office stuff, so can't comment
on that.
 
wow where to start...
firstly thanks very much for your reply i really appreciate all the info :)

The main use for the server will be to store media- mainly films and tv shows so i can stream it to my tv etc, and then family photos etc. so only a small amount of important data. So in your opinion would it be easier and 'better' to go with a JBOD setup? as i could just add more drives as and when i needed too.
the 2tb caviar greens are currently about £70 atm which seems pretty reasonable to me.

from what ive seen i think win home server 2011 will be the better one for me. its only about £30 and has alot of really useful features on it
 
Happy to help.

TBH, whether you want to go with RAID (and if so, hardware, software and which level) or JBOD is
a decision only you can make. Each has its own pros and cons, but how important those are to
you is not something I can determine.

But since my own server has a very similar usage scenario I can elaborate a bit on my thought
process back when I set it up. I only back up the really important stuff. While RAID-Z1 does not
give me complete protection against losing my media files, it does give me some protection from
drive failure, which is enough to satisfy me.

As with M/B controller RAID5, RAID-Z1 does have quite a noticeable performance hit, but since
I don't need high performance from my disk array for streaming that is acceptable to me.

The main advantages of a JBOD setup I can see would be added storage capacity since you wouldn't
need a parity drives and probably higher performance, but that bit of protection given by the RAID
setup is enough for me to make up for that.

One final note: I am not sure what features Win Server 2011 offers when it comes to software
RAID, but before you go ahead and do this via M/B controller it might be worth investigating.
Maybe there is something to take advantage of there, but I've never worked with WS2011, so
I have no idea at all. But it might be worth investigating before making a final decision.
 
so seeing as im only really going to be using it for media streaming the drop in speed with a raid 5 config wouldnt really make a massive impact?

ill do some more research into WS2011 and find out everything that i can about it
 
so seeing as im only really going to be using it for media streaming the drop in speed with a raid 5 config wouldnt really make a massive impact?

I haven't been able to find much info on this. If the RAID implementation is buggy or simply
poorly done you might actually get some significant hits (for example, random array rebuilds
could consume quite a bit of system resources).

If it really is just a halfway reasonable amount slower than JBOD (such as with RAID-Z1)
you'll probably be fine.

TBH I recommend maybe testing this yourself. Since you're most likely going to buy the
board anyway it will primarily cost you time and patience.

ill do some more research into WS2011 and find out everything that i can about it

Not an unreasonable idea. ;)
 
Why do you want to use JBOD onboard......?

Thats just the same as using them normally but slowing the boot down etc... Im confused.
 
Why do you want to use JBOD onboard......?

Thats just the same as using them normally but slowing the boot down etc... Im confused.

Sorry about the confusion; got my terminology mixed up :banghead:

In any case: That's what I actually meant, just plugging them in and running them as
individual disks.

@OP: If you replace "JBOD" in my previous posts with something of equivalent
meaning to the above you'll get the result I actually meant.

Apologies for the mix-up.
 
dam news to me

wen I did my install I was thinking of using a ssd but I got hold of a cheap 250 gb drive left me more money to spend on parts I needed more

very cool
 

Interesting article. I wonder what MS were thinking when they decided on that 160 GB
limit... :headscratch:

Although considering how bloated even normal Windows editions have become in the past few
years I can't claim to be too surprised (Win 7 Pro gobbled up 20 GB on my dad's PC just for
a clean and fresh install, that's just bloody ridiculous IMHO).

Anyway, </mild rant>
 
In any case: That's what I actually meant, just plugging them in and running them as
individual disks.

@OP: If you replace "JBOD" in my previous posts with something of equivalent
meaning to the above you'll get the result I actually meant.

Apologies for the mix-up.

thats what i actually thought you meant anyway :)

if your going to run windows home server 2011 your going to need 160 gb drive min


i didnt know that but im glad there is a way around it :)
 
haha yh i guess so. im gonna put it down to my lack of knowledge on the subject and taking the term jbod way to literally :)
 
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