DIY Particle Detector

Remmy

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Hi guys :)

I've got a bit of an unusual one here, but some may find it interesting so I thought I'd share what I've been doing for the last few weeks in my 3rd year physics group project at uni. We're in the last week of the project now, and we've been working on it once or twice a week for about 5 weeks, including the planning.

The project initially began as us trying to replicate a paper we had read which was about detecting alpha particles from a radioactive 241Am source. 241Am emits alpha, beta, and gamma radiation, so one of the first decisions was how to differentiate between the three; as it turned out just achieving detection of any of the particles is not an easy task (surprise, surprise), so we are more than happy to just detect any of the radioactive particles emitted :)

Alphas only travel a few centimetres in air, so we designed a small brass vacuum chamber to house the radioactive source and the silicon detector diode. The diode is also sensitive to light, so the chamber was also useful to block out as much light as possible.

Now that we had a way of mounting the source and detector in the chamber, we needed a way of seeing an output, which requires a great amount of amplification because the current produced by the particles in the diode is so miniscule. To do this, the department's electrical engineer helped us (a lot) to develop this circuit:

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I only understand about half of what is going on here; I like electronics as a hobby, but I'm no electrical engineer :) If anybody has some knowledge on this, feel free to try explain to me what the use of L1, C1, C5, C6, C8, or C9 are :)

The key things I understand about the circuit is that IC1 converts the current produced in the diode into an AC voltage, and IC2 amplifies that voltage to give us a usable output. I understand that the op amp negative feedback loops make the op amp force the inputs to be equal potential by raising the potential of the output, thereby amplifying the voltage. I think the silicon diode D1 is in reverse bias so that the depletion layer in the semiconductor is free of charge carriers, so the detected particles are the only current producers; or something like that :P

Here is the PCB of the circuit

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Here is a picture of our whole setup

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The photo includes the vacuum chamber and pump, the amplifier circuit, and the oscilloscope. The breadboard shown is just being used to provide power to the amplification circuit; the circuit was previously tested on the breadboard. The radioactive source is mounted in one end of the brass chamber.

Today was the first day we had everything we needed together and complete, and us and the lecturers working with us in the lab are quite convinced that this was the first particle we've detected:

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We don't know which it is, but we were so excited just seeing this peak appear on the screen after so much fiddling about trying to get everything to work :D

The mechanical engineers who made us the vacuum chamber, and the electrical engineer will be so glad that this is our last week of bugging them with all of our problems! They're really busy all the time without us nagging them, so they deserve praise :) Hopefully on Thursday we can get some more of these detections with a bit more perseverence :) This has been a really fun project for us despite many difficulties in trying to get everything working correctly, and it's reignited my electronics hobby I used to have during GCSE :)
 
apart from the extremly complex (for me) circuit, actually I understood something, I'm currently studying computer engineering and in the microelectronic circuits we did some sort of simple amplifier, it only had 4 resistors, 2 capacitors and 1 transistor so its nowhere as complex as that, although it was a very interesting read :)
 
apart from the extremly complex (for me) circuit, actually I understood something, I'm currently studying computer engineering and in the microelectronic circuits we did some sort of simple amplifier, it only had 4 resistors, 2 capacitors and 1 transistor so its nowhere as complex as that, although it was a very interesting read :)

Huh, this is actually pretty cool, thanks for sharing. :)

Thanks guys :) I didn't know how much detail to include so I just tried to put enough to outline it, so it wasn't just completely boring :)

It's not often I get excited about uni projects, but with this being something done from scratch it's been quite exciting that we've been able to actually get something from it, which we were very skeptical of to be honest.
 
Pretty interesting stuff :)

Did you say this is for a 3rd year physics degree project?

Yeah, it's not the final year project or anything, don't worry! It's just a single lab module which we had to do a little project for instead of standard experimental labs where we are given experiments to do. I'm doing a Masters, so next year I have my big project :D
 
Yeah, it's not the final year project or anything, don't worry! It's just a single lab module which we had to do a little project for instead of standard experimental labs where we are given experiments to do. I'm doing a Masters, so next year I have my big project :D

Ah ok I see! :)
 
Thats pretty awesome im kinda in the middle of my 3rd year... its complicated but that looks really awesome :).

I can see it acts as a multiplier, so 1 hit makes 10 then thats remultiplied so the hits are easier to be seen. Similar to some of the experiments Cern did i believe with thier smaller collider.
 
My friend on my course has applied for a summer internship there for next year, but as you can imagine they're hyper competetive placements.

My family has American relatives, one of whom has actually just finished doing his PhD at CERN, he's been there for years now, and he's been lecturing there too :)
 
Ah that is amazing, I find Cern amazing on the discoveries and the machines they make.

I do wish you luck, must have a magic mind to handle the math in physics i wish i could, tis what makes me an engineer i guess lol
 
super interesting man, L1 inductor used for the input, or choking the input of ripple perhaps.

the caps and resistor combos you have their are a type of feedback system, my electronic history is failing me substantially, mainly to do with the gain whether being feedback or negative feedback loop, having some differences to the saturation point of the Op Amp. if you want more specific than that i cant really remember much more in all honesty. the two caps at the end would be to do with stopping noise in the system or something to that effect.

man i really need to go make something now.
 
super interesting man, L1 inductor used for the input, or choking the input of ripple perhaps.

the caps and resistor combos you have their are a type of feedback system, my electronic history is failing me substantially, mainly to do with the gain whether being feedback or negative feedback loop, having some differences to the saturation point of the Op Amp. if you want more specific than that i cant really remember much more in all honesty. the two caps at the end would be to do with stopping noise in the system or something to that effect.

man i really need to go make something now.

Thanks for those points, at least now with an idea of what these parts do I can look into it for more info :)

Haha, electronics is so addictive isn't it xD
 
actually i need to learn to read more, the caps you listed for are on the vin nodes, and its probably something so basic ive totally forgot now.

probably wrong but guessing would put me with blocking some dc values on the input
 
actually i need to learn to read more, the caps you listed for are on the vin nodes, and its probably something so basic ive totally forgot now.

probably wrong but guessing would put me with blocking some dc values on the input

Do you have an electronics background? It sounds like you have had at some point :)
 
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