Could use some help :D

[kataras]

Hello guys, after getting quite a noisy and pretty hot GTX (idles at 80) i decided i would wc my pc. So what i am asking is could anyone of you help me on choosing parts i need (blocks, res, pump etc) as i really am a noob at this, i am willing to spend 100-150 quid to wc my cpu (e6750) and 8800gtx and keeping in mind that i have only got 580W psu (Hiper Type-R). what are your opinions on those wc kits wich you could get for around similar price, is it worth going for one of them or is it the same thing as buying already prebuilt and overpriced pc from pc world ?

 

[Uncle_Fluffy]

For what you want, something like this from WatercoolingUK would be just the ticket;

Also as it's over £150 you get free postage!

 

[ai_01]

just my two cents but to properly water cool those parts ur gonna need at least another 25 GBP. but on parts wise.

CPU - D-Tek Fusion

GPU - EK-FC8800GTX Full Cover

RAD - PA 120.3 (preferably thermochill, dangerden and blackice are good too though)

Tubing - 1/2" or 7/16" Masktaleer

Pump - Laing DDC with top preferably petras or liang, or Liang D5

Fans - Price/Performance - Yate Loons

ur powersupply is more than enough only power that it will eat up is fans and pump maybe a total of 40w or so

another option is a 3rd party air cooler, id recommend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835109136

 

[prosser13]

That's going to be a lot more expensive than 25 GBP more...the Fusion alone is 10 more, and a full cover block will be 25 on its own...

I would say go with a D-Tek Fuzion GPU block over the XSPC one though

 

[Mr. Smith]

What case have you got? Can you fit a tripple rad in or a double?

The kit posted will suffice if you swap the single rad out for a double or tripple.

 

[kataras]

hey guys, just came back from work. Folks at work have scared me off from wcing my pc. They were like, wait for carbon-based blocks and told me that there is so much to go wrong when wcing pc, leaks, problems with liquid and so on. Also they told me that i should have two loops than one, tbh they had discouraged me from wcing. Anyway i am still up for it, but i have got question, with a first setup, which Uncle_Fluffy posted, what temps am i looking to get? Because i have decided to wc because of GTX having ultra high temps, maybe just an aftermarket cooler replacement would do a job?

 

[FarFarAway]

Water-cooling is nothing to worry about if you're careful and make sure everything is done properley. Leak test before-hand and you will be fine.

Temps will be a fair bit lower than even the highest end air coolers.

My quick-guide may give you a better idea of what's involved?? LinkeeClickeeheree

 

[BigFatCat]

Leaks? With a little care, there's no reason to fear the leaker, as Blue Oyster Cult might have said.

It scared me the first time I powered it up, but it's nothing really scary with a little common sense.

 

[Mr. Smith]

lol @ BFC!

I have seen generally speaking cpu temps drop by 20/30 deg c and gfx card 30/40 deg c... my loops have always had cpu and gpu in them too...

My w/c kits cost more than that one though but you will see a huge improvement over air...

You need a double rad minimum and it's a piece of cake to set a loop up

 

[prosser13]

hey guys, just came back from work. Folks at work have scared me off from wcing my pc. They were like, wait for carbon-based blocks and told me that there is so much to go wrong when wcing pc, leaks, problems with liquid and so on. Also they told me that i should have two loops than one, tbh they had discouraged me from wcing. Anyway i am still up for it, but i have got question, with a first setup, which Uncle_Fluffy posted, what temps am i looking to get? Because i have decided to wc because of GTX having ultra high temps, maybe just an aftermarket cooler replacement would do a job?

Where do you work?

PCWorld?

Look at how many people watercool their PCs - it would have been canned as a stupid idea alongside PCs cooled by mineral oil years ago if it was proven to be crap

 

[Marci]

Carbon based blocks won't be available mainstream for another 12 months yet, and the improvements that they are supposed to bring aren't all that exciting (look at Carbon Aircoolers vs Copper Aircoolers reviews).

No need for two separate loops for the heatload your CPU and GPU are kicking out. Single loop with 120x2 radiator and 75cfm fans, or 120x3 radiator and 50 > 60cfm fans would be plenty for you.

 

[Mullet]

You've got to ask yourself a question tho....

It seems like you're going to watercooling for reasons specifically linked to the temps of your GTX. I'm not looking to discourage you here but...your GTX runs at the same temps as mine did before I fitted my watercooling kit...so I would not worry about the temps.

I would however recommend fitting the watercooling if you were looking towards lowering the noise and/or overclocking components. Are you planning to do any overclocking? The GTX clocks quite well with a waterblock fitted, as do most of the Core 2/Quad processors.

What are you planning to achieve system wise?

 

[ai_01]

Agreed with Mullet and Marci.

 

[kataras]

No need for two separate loops for the heatload your CPU and GPU are kicking out. Single loop with 120x2 radiator and 75cfm fans, or 120x3 radiator and 50 > 60cfm fans would be plenty for you.

Wait, is that two lots of 120mm rads, coz then it would make alot more sense doing one loop (if i got u right, cpublock -> rad1 -> gpublock -> rad2). Probably then it would require a lot more power full pump, wouldnt it? Anyway, Mullet, yeah i am well interested in ocing but with these temps i cant go that far. i have got g0 c2d E6750 which im guessing could achieve 3,6Ghz -ish or even more. Would love to have 650 or more on gpu core and definitely, yes, silence is one of the other reasons i fancy wcing.

 

[Marci]

Eh?? No. 120x2 as in a dual radiator. 120x3 as in a triple radiator.

A single loop with either ONE double radiator with 75cfm fans, or ONE triple radiator with 50 to 60cfm fans should be plenty for you.

 

[kataras]

Eh?? No. 120x2 as in a dual radiator. 120x3 as in a triple radiator.

Hmm, i was just wondering, coz basically when cold water goes up the cpu block, it comes out very hot, and then (as u said) goes to gfx block and comes out even hotter only then goes to rad and dissipates heat, which means that gfx card wont get cold water and cooling wont be efficient. Wouldnt it make sense, for cold water to go up the cpu block, then hot water goes to 120mm rad water dissipates heat, from there cold water goes to gfx card and from gfx block hot water goes to the second rad 120mm, and again dissipates heat, then goes to pump and res, why would this not work??? probably a lot more expensive set up (two rads and more powerful pump, but cheaper than going two loop way) then cooling would be alot more efficient regarding gfx any thoughts on this??? or is it me talking noobian here

 

[ai_01]

The water does not come out very hot, if you decided to go with a single loop with 2 separate rads like you stated you will see at the best maybe 5C cooler for your gpu, and thats pushing it. More like 2-3C range. If you want to OC and still you want silence, i would recommend a PA 120.3 or a PA 120.2 from thermochill, best rads around. For Fans Noctas are good a lil expensive but worth it id say, I use Yates which are about 1/4 the price.

 

[Marci]

Noctuas are still a bit poor on air pressure... they don't perform well on radiators compared to other choices.

Yep, as stated above, temps at a waterblocks inlet vs temps at its outlet don't vary all that much. Ditto radiators... the temp change in coolant either side of the radiator isn't a vast change either. Remember, it's a loop. It's the accumulative effect of passing thru thing lots of times that does the work... it's not a case of 100w heatload added to coolant, to the radiator, 100w heatload removed from coolant. The larger the difference between coolant temps and air temps (ie: the hotter the coolant) the more efficiently the radiator works.

You're making the fatal mistake of applying logical common sense to watercooling and coming out with the wrong conclusions.... the effects we're talking about here (heating and cooling of coolant) involve very small changes in temperature... ie: coolant doesn't enter a waterblock at 20 deg C and exit at 30 deg C... more like enters at 29 deg C and exits at 30 deg C...

 

[Mullet]

Noctuas are still a bit poor on air pressure... they don't perform well on radiators compared to other choices.

Yep, as stated above, temps at a waterblocks inlet vs temps at its outlet don't vary all that much. Ditto radiators... the temp change in coolant either side of the radiator isn't a vast change either. Remember, it's a loop. It's the accumulative effect of passing thru thing lots of times that does the work... it's not a case of 100w heatload added to coolant, to the radiator, 100w heatload removed from coolant. The larger the difference between coolant temps and air temps (ie: the hotter the coolant) the more efficiently the radiator works.

You're making the fatal mistake of applying logical common sense to watercooling and coming out with the wrong conclusions.... the effects we're talking about here (heating and cooling of coolant) involve very small changes in temperature... ie: coolant doesn't enter a waterblock at 20 deg C and exit at 30 deg C... more like enters at 29 deg C and exits at 30 deg C...

Agreed with Marci...I had the very same questions when I was building my setup. My loop order is:

PUMP>GFX1>GFX2>CPU>RAD>RES>PUMP

The allowed me to keep tubing lengths to an absolute minimum.

 

[weihk]

with a bit of carefull planning and doing a bit of leak testing, water inside a PC is just as safe as blowing air inside a PC.

its simple and there isnt going to be any big problem, so go for it i say!

but i have to say this.....please do plan out what you want from a WC kit, if you go for budget parts, you might regret it, try spending a bit more, get better parts, it'll last longer and you might even get to move them from one PC to the next.

good luck!