barnsley
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You've got to atleast appreciate the job they've done. Turning a stupid hybrid into a RWD v8 dragster is pretty cool.
I like the new mustang. Heck I even like the ecoboost engine.
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I like the new mustang. Heck I even like the ecoboost engine.
NeverBackDown
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You've got to atleast appreciate the job they've done. Turning a stupid hybrid into a RWD v8 dragster is pretty cool.
I like the new mustang. Heck I even like the ecoboost engine.
Its ok. The ecoboost engine is meh though.
barnsley
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Because its not a V8?
It is a stupid hybrid I agree. Batteries are very high on the list of things i'd rather not go for a drive with a car full of. Probably inbetween venomous insects and bears.
That latest Mustang is getting a little european looking, not that it's a bad thing but i'm not sure i'd want that in a mustang. I do like mustangs, i'm sure it will grow on me once Americans do some stupid tuning to them.
JR
NeverBackDown
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Because its a crappy v6 that they add twin turbo chargers just for fuel economy sake and to get that "power" that a normal v8 would get. Plus they sound horrendous and fake. They tune the exhaust to make it sound like a v8 but it doesn't help much. Hell even with all that savings in weight/pistons/liters the fuel economy is hardly any better.
Jeesh.. lately i been seeing a lot of American bashing goin on...
I mean sure you can say it get's that when you remap and add in a CAI.. but it won't get that. You would need a dyno to prove that.
Mustangs are losing there cool factor.. Ford slowly replacing all the v8's to v6's. Hell i'd take a Challenger with a 5.7l hemi over any of these Fords.. Fuel economy is still great and the power is still just as great, with the bonus of sounding better than any other "muscle car" on the road. Hell i'd take a Camaro over the mustangs and i don't really like the camaro's... way to damn small.
I mean stupid in a good way, as in an insolent and excessive amount of power that makes mustangs unequivocally cool again. I just criticized it for being too european in fact. I bet it's lighter, has far more sophisticated rear axle/suspension and probably handle better than the last generation but like you i'd prefer a mustang to be insensitive and crude.
Surely there's even soom room left in the 2.3 Ecoboost, Benz can get 354bhp 332 lb-ft out of there 2.0
JR
barnsley
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Pretty sure its a v4 in the ecoboost, not a v6. So I guess that makes it even worse. Its a shame as ford can do excellent, small boosted engines. This one seems to be alot worse then they could have done.
All they need to do is replace the turbo with something from a powerstroke diesel and you'll get amazing boost, no fuel economy and it'll sound like a tank. If these guys can do it with a chevy v6...Surely there's even soom room left in the 2.3 Ecoboost, Benz can get 354bhp 332 lb-ft out of there 2.0
JR
See? (Roadkill is an excellent show, totally reccomend watching all the episodes)
All they need to do is replace the turbo with something from a powerstroke diesel and you'll get amazing boost, no fuel economy and it'll sound like a tank. If these guys can do it with a chevy v6...
Yep, it's that simple in America. 4.2 V6 + a ratted powerjoke turbo and you've got yourself a pile of ratsun that can barely compete with some imported junk. I think I would be rather annoyed if I lived in a country where petrol was basically free, guns were a right and everyone had a V8 if someone tried to sell me a 4 cylinder mustang with a turbo though.
You can't deny all round the ecoboosts are quite a great achievement really. Remember american fuel is rubbish and their gallons are smaller than ours, they are doing quite well in efficiency terms with their lardy cars now.
I do watch roadkill already actually, I much prefer American car shows to the rubbish we have over here. Leno's Garage, Roadkill and Top Gear USA are epic.
JR
NeverBackDown
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I mean stupid in a good way, as in an insolent and excessive amount of power that makes mustangs unequivocally cool again. I just criticized it for being too european in fact. I bet it's lighter, has far more sophisticated rear axle/suspension and probably handle better than the last generation but like you i'd prefer a mustang to be insensitive and crude.
Surely there's even soom room left in the 2.3 Ecoboost, Benz can get 354bhp 332 lb-ft out of there 2.0
JR
Ah ok. I just didn't read it that way then. Sorry
Pretty sure its a v4 in the ecoboost, not a v6. So I guess that makes it even worse. Its a shame as ford can do excellent, small boosted engines. This one seems to be alot worse then they could have done.
All they need to do is replace the turbo with something from a powerstroke diesel and you'll get amazing boost, no fuel economy and it'll sound like a tank. If these guys can do it with a chevy v6...
I was referring to the 3.5l v6 engine.. but ya it's worse with the v4. My only concern with these high boost twin turbo engines is if the block can actually sustain such power for an extended period of time. All that power in a small engine should raise a little concern.
Powerstroke is decent. I'd much rather take a Cummins diesel over the Powerstroke. Powerstroke doesn't output much power over the Cummins engine.. and the Cummins engine is an inline 6 engine whereas the PS is a full v8. Though Chevy's Duramax v8 engine is also very capable. All the full size truck diesel's in the US are actually quite good. But the Cummins does just as much with less. Kind of amazing if you think about it.
The v6 non turbo in the Ram 1500 (Pentastar v6) is a pretty capable engine to. If they threw a turbo on that it would make Fords twin turbo'd small v6/v4 look like wimps and still get amazing fuel economy. That's why i don't think Ford is all that great. Yes they are doing some very high tech engineering but tbh it's still not much better.
Seeing as they were all designed to use that form of induction from the start it shouldn't be an issue at all. It's still low stress/pressure compared with a blown diesel. Also you've got to remember some of the 'power' is added to the induction stroke with a turbocharged engine not just the power stroke. It's just as much a reduction in losses as an effective increase in capacity, it will be fine the rest of the world has been doing it for years and the ecoboosts aren't even especially high specific output. Look at the 2.0 turbocharged VW and Mercedes engines, I think they are up to 395 and 345bhp respectively now!
Well yeah cummins are epic because Turbo's, hopefully it will be the same story with ecoboosts.
JR
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NeverBackDown
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Well yeah cummins are epic because Turbo's, hopefully it will be the same story with ecoboosts.
JR
All diesel's are turbo'd
MrKambo
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All diesel's are turbo'd
They are :mellow: coz I'm certain they're not
NeverBackDown
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Well most.. Most of the newer one's do. It's to help get all the air possible into the cylinders because they need more to burn more fuel and produce less monoxide. That's in the US at least.
source: http://www.bankspower.com/techarticles/show/30-turbo-diesel-fact-&-fiction
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All diesel's are turbo'd
What about supercharged diesels?
No need to misquote the misquote Kambo, NBD meant cummins current truck competitors in the US are also turbocharged, and I mean they are generally more effective at implementing them than their competitors. I think way back they always used to run higher RPM and boost pressures and now they are leading multiple stage charging and variable geometry stuff etc... Simple stuff Americans are just adding to their petrol engines.
Diesel engines are inherently less efficient than 4 cycle gasoline engines however due to the nature of the combustion they can run higher compression ratio's and that's where the gains come from. They need turbo's to be competitive, as i'm sure you'll know. Compression Ignition gasoline engines will be the next hype, hopefully 2-stroke as well.
JR
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NeverBackDown
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They use the best turbo tech yes. It allows them to use less pistons, keep the same power levels, and maintain better fuel economy. All the turbo stuff you mentioned has been around a long time. Now them being implemented from the factory no they have not been around a while. It is because of our laws on efficiency and etc.
Sorry but that's wrong. Diesel engine's in their nature are more efficient than gasoline engines by 15-35% depending on the engine. Take any similar sized engines(diesel and gas) and the diesel will always be more efficient. They do not need turbos to be effective. They need them because the gains are huge and fuel emmisions are at an all time high in the US so they need them to get the engine to burn as clean as possible.
source: http://www.gmc.com/fuel-efficiency/better-diesel-fuel-economy-than-with-gasoline.html
edit: Supercharged diesels have yet to appear in the US.. and i doubt they ever will in the foreseeable future.
Supercharged diesels appeared in America already, in what I would call a pretty big way! 2-Stroke Detroit's, practically all supercharged from factory.
And no it's not wrong. As a cycle the otto cycle is superior to the diesel. Ignoring the compression ratio or if it's turbocharged or not. If you could safely run a gasoline engine with the same boost pressure and compression ratio as a diesel engine then it would be more efficient. At the moment it's not really technologically possible, well it could be, it's just not viable. Unfortunately engine development is emissions driven, not efficiency driven. Otherwise we would all have compression ignition 2-stroke gasoline engines already.
At the moment diesel engines are more efficient in practice. The diesel cycle is not.
JR
NeverBackDown
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No supercharged diesel from the factory exist in the US from any of the Detroit 3.
Also what the hell is a 2 stroke engine? We don't use that term in the US..
Diesel is better than gas.. The engine is. not the cycle.. as of now that's all that matters due to as you said the tech we have vs the expense it holds. So as of now it is more efficient but tbh it probably won't change for a quite some time.
