Building a nice rig

Futures Truth

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So far the only part I've got is an AMD athlon64 CPU. This is only cause I got it for free. Silly friend. He basically gave it to me cause he couldn't use it. Long story short, I've got $2,200; and want to build an amazing rig to game with.

No idea where to start though, any suggestions?
 
What CPU did he give you mate? If its a low end one, you might want to consider buying a new one, otherwise buying high-end graphics cards will just be a waste of money.
 
If its low end sell it and put the money towards a new one.

Then start with a decent motherboard, DFI are teh favs here.

Next up ram, IMHO 2GB G.Skill HZ should do you fine.

Graphics card: A 7900GT would be a fine peice of kit to start with.

PSU: PCP&C 510?

Theres your basics. Everyone else can do cases and HDDs etc.
 
If it's a low end one get a damn conroe!

Conroe 6800 or 6600

Asus Conroe board

2gb DDR2 800

I'd personally go for a single X1900XTX (almost regretting selling mine)

PCP&C PSU

Nice case (Lian Li ftw)

Nice screen (Dell 2405 FTW)

etcetc
 
With $2,200 to work with youre doing pretty good, we can definately work with that.

I remember in your first post you were interested in going SLI. Definately a great way to show off your uber gamerness. But in all honesty it's only good if you plan on running benchmarks and pwning them. Jim and I both did some in-game tests with our SLI rigs and noticed that SLI in some cases actually dropped our FPS, still don't know why. I would lean towards Kemp's choice of an x1900xtx. Those cards are just wicked powerful, period.

I totally second the Conroe movement. I don't think there is any better way to go right now. Sell whatever processor it is that your friend gave you, it's more than likely low-end if he just gave it to you. Now if it's FX-xx then by all means hold on to it and we can work around that :) Anyhow, Conroe is just now hitting retail shelves so you're trying to build a computer at the perfect time mate. I'd recommend the new Asus P5 ??? (can't remember the last numbers) which is the same board that Jim just picked up. Supposed to be a pretty darn nice little board with some decent clocking options built-in. You're best bet for the processor is going to be the 6600, as it's the most cost effective. It can easily be overclocked to 6800+ speeds.

For the RAM... I don't really know a whole helluva lot about the new lineup of DDR2 so I'm not the one to comment on that subject. It's the one area that I don't follow up on as much as the others unless I actually have a need to (ie. I have a rig that uses DDR2).

PCP&C is the only clear choice for a PSU if you have the kind of money you say you do to build a rig. Easily the most powerful, stable, and reliable PSU's on the market. I think everyone on this forum would probably agree that you can't go wrong with a PCP&C. The 510w Turbo-Cool would probably be the perfect choice for ya.

Cases, wow there are so many awesome cases out there. I think one of the cases that interests me the most right now is the new Cooler Master Stacker 830. I personally thing the new design is absolutely wicked. The case itself will get you a lot of room to spread stuff out and give you more expansion options in the future. Also a great case if you ever decide you want to watercool, you have plenty of room inside for all of the parts. Other than that Lian Li cases get my vote. I rocked my PC-75B for a long time, and was definately one of the easiest cases to work with I have ever owned. Roomy, sexy, and functional; that's all ya need and exactly what Lian Li delivers! I quite like that new little cube'ish case that (Raven??) posted about, i'd be looking in to getting one of those mefinks.

As far as CPU cooling goes, there's a million options out there for ya. I think Core 2 Duo uses a different heatsink retention bracket than P4 but I'm sure there's already an aftermarket bracket to allow you to use P4 heatsinks if this is the case.

Hope some of this info helped ya out a lil' bit.
 
I was hoping to water cool it, since people I've done it for seem impressed with it. As for cases, I was looking at either the Raven cube boxes as Frag said, or the Thermaltake Armor case. I think I may just gofor the Conroe, since it seems best, and more or less the CPU I have is low end. Also, On some cases you see like 2 or 3 small screens that control things, what exactly arre they used for? I could never understand,for example, masterblasters rig.
 
Kempez said:
If it's a low end one get a damn conroe!

Conroe 6800 or 6600

Asus Conroe board

2gb DDR2 800

I'd personally go for a single X1900XTX (almost regretting selling mine)

PCP&C PSU

Nice case (Lian Li ftw)

Nice screen (Dell 2405 FTW)

etcetc

Have you seen recent conroe release benchmarks? FX-62 vs X6800.. with an XTX CF setup, the FX-62 was at MOST 20FPS behind. They could have easily squeezed more performance out of the FX too, by using four sticks of ram to make use of bank interleaving. They also could have used lower latency ram, instead they used 4-4-4-12 @ stock speed. Point being, most of the gaming community is dissapointed in Conroe. It's been stated long before it came out that Conroe seemed to excel more in benches than real world performance but I guess nobody believed it because of the extremely high bench scores. Now it's like slamming into a brick wall doing 100MPH. By the way, the FX-62 is clocked at 2.8GHz while the X6800 is 2.93GHz, so take that FX-62 and clock it to 3GHz which, is barely a challenge on air and you'll be a mere 15FPS or so, slower than a Core2. Basically, if you already have an Athlon 64 and it's Socket 939 or Socket AM2, keep it. And to all of you out there hoping to upgrade to Conroe in search of more precious FPS in your games, don't bother. Keep your 939/AM2 setup. Upgrade to a better processor and ram and you'll be all set. Many of you play FEAR , where the X6800 only had a 17FPS lead.. take note that fear is a very CPU intensive game too, is a WHOLE system revamp worth 17 FPS? Nope. And don't post back, "but Core 2 totally roasts the FX in everything but gaming," well if you do anything in the video editing or photo editing area, then Core 2 is your proccy. This is just a flat out gaming comparison.

See more gaming results, starting here at AnandTech.

Theres a more heated discussion about this here.
 
NickS said:
Have you seen recent conroe release benchmarks? FX-62 vs X6800.. with an XTX CF setup, the FX-62 was at MOST 20FPS behind. They could have easily squeezed more performance out of the FX too, by using four sticks of ram to make use of bank interleaving. They also could have used lower latency ram, instead they used 4-4-4-12 @ stock speed. Point being, most of the gaming community is dissapointed in Conroe. It's been stated long before it came out that Conroe seemed to excel more in benches than real world performance but I guess nobody believed it because of the extremely high bench scores. Now it's like slamming into a brick wall doing 100MPH. By the way, the FX-62 is clocked at 2.8GHz while the X6800 is 2.93GHz, so take that FX-62 and clock it to 3GHz which, is barely a challenge on air and you'll be a mere 15FPS or so, slower than a Core2. Basically, if you already have an Athlon 64 and it's Socket 939 or Socket AM2, keep it. And to all of you out there hoping to upgrade to Conroe in search of more precious FPS in your games, don't bother. Keep your 939/AM2 setup. Upgrade to a better processor and ram and you'll be all set. Many of you play FEAR , where the X6800 only had a 17FPS lead.. take note that fear is a very CPU intensive game too, is a WHOLE system revamp worth 17 FPS? Nope. And don't post back, "but Core 2 totally roasts the FX in everything but gaming," well if you do anything in the video editing or photo editing area, then Core 2 is your proccy. This is just a flat out gaming comparison.

See more gaming results, starting here at AnandTech.

Theres a more heated discussion about this here.

One thing that doesnt compair is the prices, FX62 would leave him with a real tight budget for the rest

name='Futures Truth' said:
Also, On some cases you see like 2 or 3 small screens that control things, what exactly arre they used for? I could never understand,for example, masterblasters rig.

You mean these?
 
Nick: 20FPS?

So your telling me that an extra (or as you said: "mere") 20FPS on a gaming benchmark isn't worth getting Conroe for? Am I hearing that right? You really have to think before you post.

I agree that if you have a decent specced A64 then it's most likely worth waiting for AMD's next gen of processors and Core 3. But if your building a new rig then I see NO point in getting AM2 - especially when AMD will be adopting DDR3 in 2007/8 time.

The FX62 runs games 20% slower than the X6800 - and also 8% slower than the £200ish 6600

I actually got my 6700 and 6800 mixed up - but getting a 6600 makes total sense to me

I really don't see your point - in fact I think your missing it totally.
 
As with every new chip/standard thats released you get two groups of people:

Those who are looking forward to the technology, have saved up for it and will embrace it at the first opportunity, and those that are unable to move to the new technology and therefore try and find some way to dismiss it.

Same happened with PCI-E, same happened with LGA775 and same with the conroe.
 
I was looking forward to the technology until I saw it was only that much of an increase. I was all gung-ho for Conroe, expecting it to pound AMD into the ground by a 40% win in gaming benchmarks or more.. but I've decided to save up to get a beastly K8L system in 07 :D.
 
Well for all around benching including 3d benching, Conroe is still the best choice. Not to mention the best choice for gaming regardless of how small the increase may be it's still faster and less expensive.
 
with that swish budget a couple wd raptors in raid would be sweet:)

i like my wd caviars though,can be noisy at times when its seeking but its not THAT loud

everyone who are silent freaks buy samsung:p

hth,cheers.
 
name='FragTek' said:
Well for all around benching including 3d benching, Conroe is still the best choice. Not to mention the best choice for gaming regardless of how small the increase may be it's still faster and less expensive.

Yeah totally. And how can anyone say a 20% increase in FPS is a small one??
 
name='Kempez' said:
And how can anyone say a 20% increase in FPS is a small one??

i can, there is not much difference between 200 and 220 fps when gaming :p

aslong as fps stays above 60 then it atleast not to me doesnt matter if its 20fps lower than for someone using a conroe.
 
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