It works thats fine, but you have got nothing people who paid half the price have got too. THATS the point.
ASUS Maximus VI Extreme Review
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It works thats fine, but you have got nothing people who paid half the price have got too. THATS the point.
Am I the only one that is surprised people are even willing to pay £330 on a motherboard for what is effectively a midrange socket?
I mean if you're going to pay that kind of money you might aswell just go LGA 2011 / X79 with a 3930K. I just don't "get" it.
And as I said previously if this motherboard is not meant for Gamers but is in-fact meant for world record attempt overclockers then Asus should move it out of the Republic of Gamers brand because OC'ers using LN2 are such a niche and this board so overpriced for the average joe that it makes no sense for OC3D to even review it, as Tom pointed out, those guys going for world records will be given the board for free making a review for them pointless and as we already have seen for normal enthusiasts the board is under-performing and overpriced when compared to the competition.
I mean if you're going to pay that kind of money you might aswell just go LGA 2011 / X79 with a 3930K. I just don't "get" it.
And as I said previously if this motherboard is not meant for Gamers but is in-fact meant for world record attempt overclockers then Asus should move it out of the Republic of Gamers brand because OC'ers using LN2 are such a niche and this board so overpriced for the average joe that it makes no sense for OC3D to even review it, as Tom pointed out, those guys going for world records will be given the board for free making a review for them pointless and as we already have seen for normal enthusiasts the board is under-performing and overpriced when compared to the competition.
bigusdickus
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I see reviewer hasn't responded to any of the questions asked in previous posts despite posting this morning.
Disappointing, very unprofessional.
Disappointing, very unprofessional.
Fuck me dude, give me a fucking chance will you jesus..... Some of us have other things to do you know.....
Wht did you delete my 6.5ghz /5.9 uncore DDR 2600 C6 Super Pi score??? Because it shows how Haswell should be overclocked????
Here it is again!!
It shows how when overclocking Haswell on a M6E you can increase BLK, Uncore and Tune the RAM as well as just increase CPU. The reviewer has not done any of this stuff and limited the performance accordingly by around 15%+.
Here it is again!!
It shows how when overclocking Haswell on a M6E you can increase BLK, Uncore and Tune the RAM as well as just increase CPU. The reviewer has not done any of this stuff and limited the performance accordingly by around 15%+.
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bigusdickus
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No,
Your job is to answer the questions put to you if people think you are wrong..which it looks like you are.
Also using bad language is very unprofessional, do you do this a lot?
I think if you watched Tom's videos you'd know how he would be without needing to ask, this just adds fuel to the fire that you're an Asus shill that turned up here after this bad review was posted to refute it. ^_^
My job? lol. The point is and one that you are both missing is for 99% of users this board is complete overkill and un needed.
We dont need 20million power phases to get the best from these CPU's and if you do push things heat is a factor first.
You can argue all you want about the other bits and thats fine, but you are missing the angle Ive taken.
Tom is only human. If my fluid changed colour and I told the guy in private and then he made that public and tried to make me look like the one at fault I'd be pissed off too.
Its actually you who are incorrect here no matter what angle your taking.
Haswell is about Uncore/ BLK/ DRAM you have done none. You have missed out on 15%+ performance that would boost the scores considerably. Furthermore you have discounted the fact that Uncore may not work at all on other boards you have scored well
and hence mean its easier to clock them as you are not getting full memory bandwidth.
Haswell is about Uncore/ BLK/ DRAM you have done none. You have missed out on 15%+ performance that would boost the scores considerably. Furthermore you have discounted the fact that Uncore may not work at all on other boards you have scored well
and hence mean its easier to clock them as you are not getting full memory bandwidth.
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SuB
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It's been said once, I'll say it again.
Calm the hell down in here boys. Tom's language is as it has always been, open and frank. In my opinion (and in many other's) his filter'less attitude towards language in his reviews add's a much more 'truth' feeling to the whole scene.
OC3D isn't here to kiss the arse of the manufacturers, Tom as always has given his honest and open review on this product. Part of his 'style' is not to filter his words which is refreshing as it doesn't sound like he's mincing his words.
Trust me when I say Tom's profressionalism is not the thing in question here, do you think he delights in giving a brand he uses himself a bad review? Does that fact change his opinion or let it over-shadow the truth of the review? No
Calling him out on it is just showing pettiness. If you're here to ignite fires and cause problems, I don't care which side of the argument you fall on. You will be removed. We're here for discussion and not to start a flame war.
Calm the hell down in here boys. Tom's language is as it has always been, open and frank. In my opinion (and in many other's) his filter'less attitude towards language in his reviews add's a much more 'truth' feeling to the whole scene.
OC3D isn't here to kiss the arse of the manufacturers, Tom as always has given his honest and open review on this product. Part of his 'style' is not to filter his words which is refreshing as it doesn't sound like he's mincing his words.
Trust me when I say Tom's profressionalism is not the thing in question here, do you think he delights in giving a brand he uses himself a bad review? Does that fact change his opinion or let it over-shadow the truth of the review? No
Calling him out on it is just showing pettiness. If you're here to ignite fires and cause problems, I don't care which side of the argument you fall on. You will be removed. We're here for discussion and not to start a flame war.
Spiderz
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For people trying to say "we are not trolls" you sure seem to be attempting to wind everyone up.
As for the 6.5Ghz OC, I'd be very surprised if that isn't using LN2 or dry ice cooling and looking at the voltages they don't exactly scream long term stability, something the ones in the review were tested for. That said this is all related to haswell itself and not the board: if you can change uncore, blk etc on this board nothing to stop it being done on the cheaper boards too.
For the sake of consistency all the boards are being OC'd the same way using the same base components with only the motherboard changing. From this if you know you can get an OCCT stable 4.5Ghz overclock on one motherboard but using same volts only get 4.3GHz on the other, you know that it is the motherboard to blame. Likewise if you get an identical clock for identical volts on two different boards but one is £160 and the other £330 then it is a no-brainer, the more expensive board is getting no better results than the cheaper one and to an average end user who is not getting supplied their parts, you are not going to recommend the more expensive board as it offers nothing extra over the cheaper ones and your money is best spent elsewhere.
This is the point Tom made with the review - it performs on par with other z87 kit. If you were spending double the cash on something, you are right to expect something to perform better than the mid range.
Tom is only human and can make mistakes like the rest of us however it is refreshing to find a reviewer who is not just all business and in his videos tries to connect with his viewers.
As for the 6.5Ghz OC, I'd be very surprised if that isn't using LN2 or dry ice cooling and looking at the voltages they don't exactly scream long term stability, something the ones in the review were tested for. That said this is all related to haswell itself and not the board: if you can change uncore, blk etc on this board nothing to stop it being done on the cheaper boards too.
For the sake of consistency all the boards are being OC'd the same way using the same base components with only the motherboard changing. From this if you know you can get an OCCT stable 4.5Ghz overclock on one motherboard but using same volts only get 4.3GHz on the other, you know that it is the motherboard to blame. Likewise if you get an identical clock for identical volts on two different boards but one is £160 and the other £330 then it is a no-brainer, the more expensive board is getting no better results than the cheaper one and to an average end user who is not getting supplied their parts, you are not going to recommend the more expensive board as it offers nothing extra over the cheaper ones and your money is best spent elsewhere.
This is the point Tom made with the review - it performs on par with other z87 kit. If you were spending double the cash on something, you are right to expect something to perform better than the mid range.
Tom is only human and can make mistakes like the rest of us however it is refreshing to find a reviewer who is not just all business and in his videos tries to connect with his viewers.
SuB
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Consider yourself served..
All I particularly am saying is by clocking the Haswell in this way Tom is limiting the performance of the chip on any board.
The 3 things Tom has missed are fundamental to any conclusion you can make as do give a big swing in bench scores. and hopefully high benchmarks start to justify the asking price for someone wanting high end.
15-20% in encoding for example is alot!!
The 3 things Tom has missed are fundamental to any conclusion you can make as do give a big swing in bench scores. and hopefully high benchmarks start to justify the asking price for someone wanting high end.
15-20% in encoding for example is alot!!
So essentially it's just been reiterated what has been well known for the last couple of chipsets. You're not getting any significantly higher performance (maybe a 100-200MHz, or slightly lower voltages for the same frequency AT BEST) from these expensive boards over cheaper ones.
If anyone is buying a board today because they think they're going to get noticeably better performance out if it, which is what his review essentially revolves around, then your sadly mistaken. Also, not all brands are going to OC the same way either, manufactures do tweaks within the UEFI that changes how the mobo handles the CPU as well as the huge number of variables you can adjust. There's things that need to be done slightly differently between mobo M, mobo G and mobo A, especially when your trying to hit ~4.8GHz on Haswell.
But even if the M6E did perform better than board half it's price it would be by such a small margin (just like the difference between every other Z68 (less so), Z77 or Z87 board) that there would be no tangible, real world performance difference anyway.
My point being, even if it slightly out performed the other boards it should still be getting a "Bronze" award. And by this standard so would the highest end Z87 MSI or Gigabyte boards, because the few hundred points more your getting in synthetic benchmark X or Y doesn't justify the even larger price difference. No "Performance" awards here, something like a Titan deserves that (shitty price: performance, but still quiet a bit better any other single GPU at launch), not the extra (maybe, if you're lucky) 100-200MHz or 5-10degrees C cooler from lower volts (during OCCT runs, which are so far off real world use anyway) here or there that means nothing.
Buy a board because of its features/included software or if you're willing to pay for a particular colour scheme/look. Not because its a called a ROGXpowerOCForceSniper-Super-Overclock-whateverthefuck and therefore you'll get moar gigahertz. If you're buying any motherboard for performance, unless your benchmarking on LN2, you probably got more money than sense.
If anyone is buying a board today because they think they're going to get noticeably better performance out if it, which is what his review essentially revolves around, then your sadly mistaken. Also, not all brands are going to OC the same way either, manufactures do tweaks within the UEFI that changes how the mobo handles the CPU as well as the huge number of variables you can adjust. There's things that need to be done slightly differently between mobo M, mobo G and mobo A, especially when your trying to hit ~4.8GHz on Haswell.
But even if the M6E did perform better than board half it's price it would be by such a small margin (just like the difference between every other Z68 (less so), Z77 or Z87 board) that there would be no tangible, real world performance difference anyway.
My point being, even if it slightly out performed the other boards it should still be getting a "Bronze" award. And by this standard so would the highest end Z87 MSI or Gigabyte boards, because the few hundred points more your getting in synthetic benchmark X or Y doesn't justify the even larger price difference. No "Performance" awards here, something like a Titan deserves that (shitty price: performance, but still quiet a bit better any other single GPU at launch), not the extra (maybe, if you're lucky) 100-200MHz or 5-10degrees C cooler from lower volts (during OCCT runs, which are so far off real world use anyway) here or there that means nothing.
Buy a board because of its features/included software or if you're willing to pay for a particular colour scheme/look. Not because its a called a ROGXpowerOCForceSniper-Super-Overclock-whateverthefuck and therefore you'll get moar gigahertz. If you're buying any motherboard for performance, unless your benchmarking on LN2, you probably got more money than sense.
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Okay, lets assume your lucky enough to get a Haswell CPU that gets past 4.6GHz, lets assume you have a CPU that can do it with reasonable volts and even so, lets assume you delidded the chip and have watercooling, at least.
You might be able to get an extra 200MHz (maybe 300Mhz), which is about an extra 5-7% higher clocks at the high end. Which in anything BUT benchmarks, really means nothing (at this point you should of probably gone for LGA2011 anyway)
My point stands, you can pay $200-$300 extra (assuming you didn't have to pay even more to make all the above assumptions come true) for that extra 200MHz, but I'm not going to.
For the absolute vast majority of people all of this is out of reach, and unless all the above applies to you, buying this mobo JUST to get more GHz is ludicrous.
You might be able to get an extra 200MHz (maybe 300Mhz), which is about an extra 5-7% higher clocks at the high end. Which in anything BUT benchmarks, really means nothing (at this point you should of probably gone for LGA2011 anyway)
My point stands, you can pay $200-$300 extra (assuming you didn't have to pay even more to make all the above assumptions come true) for that extra 200MHz, but I'm not going to.
For the absolute vast majority of people all of this is out of reach, and unless all the above applies to you, buying this mobo JUST to get more GHz is ludicrous.
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You pay your money you make your choice. You demand the best performing board for multiple graphics, DRAM, Uncore, BLK overclocking and tweaking. You are an overclocker who wants endless tuning options then they are all within this board. You ared a gamer who wants higher FPS this will give it ya. Faster Encoding done.
I would never be happy with 4.6ghz!!!
I am gonna do two benches with and without Uncore and memory tweaks. Then we see the performance difference maybe more than you think. I will post the results. All Air/Water stuff.
I would never be happy with 4.6ghz!!!
I am gonna do two benches with and without Uncore and memory tweaks. Then we see the performance difference maybe more than you think. I will post the results. All Air/Water stuff.
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vorticalbox
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look lurpack (awesome name BTW lol om nom) i see were you are coming from tom may of been able to OC a bit different and get better scores but he has OC the same chip the same way across all boards making all his results directly comparable to each other.
you can not compare one reviews results to another if they did the testing in different ways.
Anyone can cherry pick data to make there product seem better than the rest, hell that is mandatory for marketing but tom isn't selling anything to us.
He tested the hardware, told us how the testing was done, logged his results and then gave that to us to look at.
for all the people who think he is wrong then that's great! you took what tom said and made your own mind up based on the information you are given and for all of people who agree with tom thats awesome too! you took information given and made the choice to agree.
