ASUS Maximus VI Extreme Review

I'm a TTL fan and have been for a good while, however this review in my opinion seemed more of a bashing than the usual constructive review from Tom.
I know the Extreme did not perform as expected, and as always I applaud Tom for his honest and colourful reviews.
However my main gripe over this review is the lack of comparison.
We all now that an MSI GD65 performs as well and is half the price, but what about Gigabyte and MSI's Top end boards?
The MSI Z87 X Power is as expensive and the Gigabyte Z87X-OC Force is over £100 more. I feel the Asus should have been compared to these for perspective and fairness.
Could it be all Haswell, high end boards are a waste of money, not just Asus's.
There will always be low, mid and high end ranges to everything, the individual makes the choice and pays his money.
Its obvious you pay more money for Premium brands/models with higher end components with extra features/gimmicks they come with, if you use them all the time, once or never.
As an example, I'm sure Tom would be just as fast down a trail on a bike half the price of his Scott Ransom Carbon Ltd, it's just personal choice and exclusivity. BTW, love the bike Tom.
If you can afford it and like it, buy it, simple as. And as always look at more than 1 review if need be.
Before the usual is dished out, I have both MSI and Asus rigs, which are both great.


All in good time mate, I dont have endless ammounts of time to test, I do have a life and this is technically just my Job. This is the first and only thing Asus have sent so far and it was their slot for a review.

Trust me I didnt bash this anywhere near as hard as I could have tbh :p

It just left me feeling disappointed and thats NEVER happened with a rog before.
 
All in good time mate, I dont have endless ammounts of time to test, I do have a life and this is technically just my Job. This is the first and only thing Asus have sent so far and it was their slot for a review.

Trust me I didnt bash this anywhere near as hard as I could have tbh :p

It just left me feeling disappointed and thats NEVER happened with a rog before.


I'm self employed myself Tom and I do appreciate that there is never enough time in the day.
I respect your views, and rate you as one of the best reviewers on the web. However I just felt that this review was a more emotional and less constructive than usual, if that makes any sense. Maybe it's just the way the review came over to me.
Ok the Asus did test badly and if it deserved a bad review, fair enough.
I will be really interested to see how the other high end boards compare in relation to the Asus and I'll look forward to your reviews of them, when you can fit them in of course.
Please keep up the good work Tom, your honesty and hard work is appreciated, if not always agreed with.
 
I loved the review :lol:

As a newb it seems apparent to me that this board is really only for the quad GPU gang and let's face it if you just dropped 2-3k on your graphics cards what does an extra £100 for the motherboard really matter?

It's just another Asus ROB board - 'Republic of Benchmarkers'

The Maximus VI Formula is where things will become interesting. It's a shame Asus won't send you one for review now you said that TTL!

JR
 
I loved the review :lol:

As a newb it seems apparent to me that this board is really only for the quad GPU gang and let's face it if you just dropped 2-3k on your graphics cards what does an extra £100 for the motherboard really matter?

It's just another Asus ROB board - 'Republic of Benchmarkers'

The Maximus VI Formula is where things will become interesting. It's a shame Asus won't send you one for review now you said that TTL!

JR
Even for benchmarking this board is too expensive. Have you actually watched the review? :p
The MSI MPower MAX will do the same for a bit more than half the price :p
 
Even for benchmarking this board is too expensive. Have you actually watched the review? :p
The MSI MPower MAX will do the same for a bit more than half the price :p

No it wont. You can't run Quad SLI or 4 Way Crossfire on the MPower Max.

He clearly said in his message this board is for benchmarkers. And if you're not just a CPU benchmarker you'll want Quad slots for four 780's / Titans. That is what this board offers over the MPower MAX.

But the problem is .. Quad SLI / 4 Way Crossfire sucks for gaming, most games do not work with it properly and it often results in lowered FPS compared to Tri-SLI and 3 Way Crossfire.

Why is this a problem if this is for Benchmarkers? Because it's in the Republic of Gamers brand and yet they've stuck on all these super high end benchmark and overclocking features and when you combine that with the fact haswell retail chips don't really clock that great this board makes little sense over one less than half its cost that can reach the same overclocks for enthusiasts just using air or water but not LN2.

And honestly I'd argue that even the Quad SLI / 4 Way Crossfire that this board offers would not be a great thing due to its lack of PCIe lanes. X79 with a x8 x8 x8 x8 Gen 3 configuration would be much better for Titans for example and would give higher benchmark scores, even on my own system just going from Gen 2 to Gen 3 with Dual cards increased my maximum FPS and thus benchmark scores in Heaven by 300 points. The minimum and average stayed the same so it would not be relevant in gaming but in benchmarking that extra max FPS provided by the extra bandwidth counts.

This board .. I dunno, it certainly fits a niche, a guy who has enough money to be stupid with it but not enough money to go X79? *shrug*
 
Even for benchmarking this board is too expensive. Have you actually watched the review? :p
The MSI MPower MAX will do the same for a bit more than half the price :p

Yes of course I have watched the review. My point was that one would only buy the extreme over the formula or any other board because they wish to run quad GPU's and if you did the price difference would be negligible, you could spend £600 on the MB and it would barely impact the build cost. And for those kind of folk I would imagine the Rampage IV Extreme would still be favourable anyway.
 
Even for benchmarking this board is too expensive. Have you actually watched the review? :p
The MSI MPower MAX will do the same for a bit more than half the price :p


The Mpower MAX isn't MSI's top end board it's the Xpower at £350, which is the same price as the Asus, that's MSI's comparable board to the Extreme not the MAX.

Also it's not just Asus which has Z87 boards over £300, Gigabyte for god sake has one at £465. How's about that for value for money.

I think until these boards are tested, its unfair to label the Asus or the Extreme as a duds, especially as other reviewers are having good OCing results with the Extreme.

My point is I think this is not just Asus. I feel that Haswell isn't that good an overclocker, due to the heat issues, and mid range boards can get as good OCing from it using regular cooling as high end boards can. I do think however that the high end boards would excel with exotic cooling, which I agree is not for 95% of us.

I personally will wait until the other high end boards are tested before making any conclusions on how poor Asus and the Extreme are.
 
Its not Haswell's fault. Its that the lower end boards are great and haswell doesnt need loads of power to run/overclocked - basically as Ive already said for most users the expensive boards are just elite epeen boards that you DONT need.

If you want to bench and your only reason for buying the board is to overclock then one of the expensive boards may get you a marginally better clock. But Im not going to risk my CPU to prove that point. Ill go to a decent clock and 100c is 20c higher than we normally do but thats it. After that point you need MUCH better cooling
 
If this board wasn't ROG branded and OC branded instead similar to the Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC Force.

Would there have been a different conclusion?
 
If this board wasn't ROG branded and OC branded instead similar to the Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC Force.

Would there have been a different conclusion?


I dont think so no dude, for the average user £330 is a mega amount of money.

Focus on the heat, we are lucky and have an epic chip that can do 4.8 at nice low volts. But an expensive board like this actually needs to give the cpu more volts (and because of it 8c more heat) for the same clocks and scores.......
 
Its not Haswell's fault. Its that the lower end boards are great and haswell doesnt need loads of power to run/overclocked - basically as Ive already said for most users the expensive boards are just elite epeen boards that you DONT need.

If you want to bench and your only reason for buying the board is to overclock then one of the expensive boards may get you a marginally better clock. But Im not going to risk my CPU to prove that point. Ill go to a decent clock and 100c is 20c higher than we normally do but thats it. After that point you need MUCH better cooling


Totally agree with you on the epeen Tom, and I'm sure the Extreme and other Premium boards will still be used in custom rigs with users with cash to burn.
 
This pretty much sums it up for me, Rawz tested over 60 retail CPU's, and 45 were poor overclockers.

I stand by what I say, if the Haswell CPU's were soldered like Sandybridge, the high end motherboards would come into their own, just like they did on P67/Z68 chipset, and Z77 if you was still using Sandybridge.
RawZ - Aria Forums said:
Just be careful about some reviews out there. A lot of them are using ES. Nothing wrong with that but some of the ES can do a lot higher Overclocks (stable and bootable) with a lot less voltage than retail. Mileage will vary a lot depending on what cooling method and if your retail CPU is a duffer. The motherboard isn't the limitation in this case. Don't go thinking I'll buy a £200+ motherboard for 4.6+ Overclocks as some of the cheaper ones I've tested do exactly the same. If you can keep CPU temps under 80C and not breach any higher than 1.35v (1.3v ideally), well done. I don't think it's worth hitting 1.4v even on custom water.

You may have noticed the other day we had some OEM speed-tested CPUs for sale. Whats interesting, these Haswell chip vary massively more so than other generations we've tested. Even though they were all from the same batch, to boot into the Windows desktop at 5GHz for example, a few can do so at 1.25v (like some ES CPUs I and reviewers have), others need 1.4-1.45v or higher.

Those of you who are speed binning yourself to get decent chips to OC stable 4.6-4.8 with decent cooling & temps, look for those chips than can boot into Windows at 5GHz with 1.25-1.3v.

Unfortunately, most are dogs. By that I mean 4.2-4.5 is probably going to be the max for most of you no matter what cooling method or motherboard. Lucky ones will hit 4.6. Anything 4.7 and over, count yourselves very lucky with your chip. Out of 60 tested, I found around 45 to be poor clockers. The others we're around 4.6-4.7. Very VERY few could do 4.8. The i7's are a flipping nightmare to get stable with high clocks as the hyper-threading rapes the temps when using OCCT 4.4.0 with AVX enabled on all logical cores. As some review site have claimed. 90-100C+ is true.

Is it worth it? Overclockers, yes. Gamers, not so much. Mr Joe Bloggs, no.
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