Article by Gamers Nexus Showing Serious Signs of CPU Age

[AngryGoldfish]

Gamers Nexus released an article and video comparing a 2500K to a 7700K in CPU-bound titles like Watch Dogs 2 at 1080p High settings using a GTX 1080. A variety of other CPU's were also tested including the 2600K and my 4670K. All older generation CPU's, even i7's, were showing major signs of age and were clearly struggling.

I said to myself, if RyZen didn't meet my criteria, I would wait another generation before upgrading. But no matter how RyZen performs and at what price point, I think I'm going to upgrade. I'm at 1440p so my GPU will be working a little harder, but the differences are still quite large and may not be addressable simply with an overclock.

It's a very good article and somewhat surprising, really. After the disappointment of 7700K and the seemingly never-ending wait for AMD, I think I'll be jumping up to i7-level performance for my next upgrade as it's clearly going to be worth the extra €100—or whatever it ends up being.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2773-intel-i5-2500k-revisit-benchmark-for-2017/page-3

 

[SeekaX]

Well, if you increase performance by ~10% per generation eventually there'll be quite a gap. 1.1^4 = 1.46, 46% increase in performance. Seems about right.
I'll still wait for at least one more generation, i don't play anything which isn't optimized to run at crazy framerates or simply is so old that anything remotely new runs it well with brute force anyways.

 

[RobM]

Still think you should wait if only for the expected price reductions once Ryzen hits retail

 

[Greenback]

Digitalfoundry have done a few different gaming tests, that show you could lose 30-40 fps in some games by having the 2500k

 

[AlienALX]

The thing that gets me here is that the older CPUs still do minimums of 60 FPS. I guess if you like chasing the dragon then switching would be a bit easier. I've been gaming on a 3.5ghz Ivy for the past six weeks and it's been absolutely fine.

 

[Greenback]

The thing that gets me here is that the older CPUs still do minimums of 60 FPS. I guess if you like chasing the dragon then switching would be a bit easier. I've been gaming on a 3.5ghz Ivy for the past six weeks and it's been absolutely fine.

But you are getting to the point where a gpu upgrade will be pointless or a lot less than you'd think it should be if you looked at Tom's reviews, you get a 1080 running games at 60fps when it should be running games at 110fps, you may as well save money and get a 1060

 

[AlienALX]

But you are getting to the point where a gpu upgrade will be pointless or a lot less than you'd think it should be if you looked at Tom's reviews, you get a 1080 running games at 60fps when it should be running games at 110fps, you may as well save money and get a 1060

There's definitely a huge chasm between a low end rig and a high end one.

I think I am getting old, because I haven't upgraded any of my GPUs in almost a year. I am still perfectly happy with how they all perform. As such I have not even considered the 10 series and tbh I wouldn't any way because I don't let people rip me off.

Same reason I have not bought any of the latest games. I am not paying £50 for a PC game that doesn't work properly. I wait for them to be £20 or under, and lately that wait is becoming longer and longer. Whatever, I still refuse to be ripped off so they can swivel lol.

I don't count FPS and I'm not a FPS spotter. So tbh? until I start to notice crawling and jerking I will not even think about replacing anything.

CPUs have stalled too. Even when AMD come along they won't be bringing anything truly new, just the same and hopefully a bit cheaper. If AMD don't bring the pain to GPUs this year they are going to stall soon too and become extremely boring (like most of what Intel sell these days).

 

[Greenback]

I know what you're saying, there was a time if I couldn't max graphic settings out and run a game at 60 fps it was time for a gpu upgrade, now I turn settings down, and tbh because of my eyesight and the improvement in game graphics I can't see the difference between ultra and medium settings (most of the time).

 

[AngryGoldfish]

I don't count FPS either, and I'm not averse to turning settings down to reach a preferred playing experience. If a game runs smoothly and looks good, I'm happy. If it runs a little doggedly, I'll turn the more superfluous settings down until it becomes smooth. However, if I know that I'm losing a bunch of frames because of an inefficient architecture 'bottlenecking' me, that's annoying. This is not to suggest that others aren't enthusiasts or anything like that, but I'm passionate about my system being the best it can be. I'm passionate about keeping up to date with all the new hardware and keeping my PC running efficiently. By then it's not about gaming fluidity; it's about streamlining your build to the point that it makes architectural sense. If it costs an extra €100 to go from an i5 to an i7, for instance, and I'll gain a sufficient boost in performance, I'll do it, even if I have to skip on something else to achieve it.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Just hope those Sandy users wait for Zen. Should be better cost/performance wise than Intel. Notice I said should. Not it will be.
Heck anything before Broadwell would probably be a good upgrade.
Thing I'm most worried about for people who are convinced using those old CPUs in that test, is if they are waiting for Zen, sure it may be amazing but I am worried that for games, a lot if specific optimization goes on for Intel CPUs. Could hurt it.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Yeah, I'm worried there could be something like that as well. Maybe RyZen won't perform on par with a 6700K in games due to something else in the pipeline, but completely demolishes it in performance-per-watt and CPU-laden multi-threaded tasks.

 

[Greenback]

TBH I think AM4 is a better upgrade option, just on the way amd have a habit of sticking to the same socket for ages, get a good MB and it could see you for a lot of years

 

[AngryGoldfish]

TBH I think AM4 is a better upgrade option, just on the way amd have a habit of sticking to the same socket for ages, get a good MB and it could see you for a lot of years

AM4 seems to have very similar specifications and features as Z270, though. What's to say you can't keep a Z270 for three or four years contentedly?

 

[Greenback]

AM4 seems to have very similar specifications and features as Z270, though. What's to say you can't keep a Z270 for three or four years contentedly?

but after that intel would change socket, where as AMD will probably still be on AM4 so possibly you could get away with just a cpu upgrade,

 

[AngryGoldfish]

but after that intel would change socket, where as AMD will probably still be on AM4 so possibly you could get away with just a cpu upgrade,

Oh, I thought you meant keep your entire CPU/motherboard architecture. Yeah, if you intend on replacing your CPU after a couple of years and don't want to change motherboard, AMD is likely the smarter route.

 

[Greenback]

Oh, I thought you meant keep your entire CPU/motherboard architecture. Yeah, if you intend on replacing your CPU after a couple of years and don't want to change motherboard, AMD is likely the smarter route.

Not only cpu but if AM4 is kept and something new comes like PCIE 4 chances are it will be put on a AM4 motherboard giving a cheaper upgrade route, than Intel buy everything new

 

[SeekaX]

Tbh by the time you want to upgrade your CPU even AMD will have a new socket. Also i wouldn't spend a penny on PCIE4 at the moment.

 

[AlienALX]

This is just another sponsored Intel advertisement. There's a similar one on another site I visit trying to justify the price of the I3 K. But the article has totally backfired and the backlash has been enormous.

This is 2017, not 2006. We should not be getting excited about dual core CPUs. Especially when Intel make CPUs with 22? 24? cores on them?

It's disgusting. So yeah, any one with any sense (and that is a lot, going from the backlash on the other site I use) will not fall for this mind control. If they do? that's their lookout.

Intel are telling their bots to put up articles like this, saying how amazing and OMG Kabylake is.

It's nothing but what they promised for Devil's Canyon. That's literally it. And we are still to see if every chip can actually do 5ghz.

 

[NeverBackDown]

This is just another sponsored Intel advertisement. There's a similar one on another site I visit trying to justify the price of the I3 K. But the article has totally backfired and the backlash has been enormous.

This is 2017, not 2006. We should not be getting excited about dual core CPUs. Especially when Intel make CPUs with 22? 24? cores on them?

It's disgusting. So yeah, any one with any sense (and that is a lot, going from the backlash on the other site I use) will not fall for this mind control. If they do? that's their lookout.

Intel are telling their bots to put up articles like this, saying how amazing and OMG Kabylake is.

It's nothing but what they promised for Devil's Canyon. That's literally it. And we are still to see if every chip can actually do 5ghz.

I don't see how this article was sponsored? They didn't make kabylake seem god like. If anything they said (paraphrase) there's little difference. They basically focused on the bottom up in regards to performance loss of each generation.
And to be fair, they didn't mention or test the i3k.

 

[AlienALX]

I don't see how this article was sponsored? They didn't make kabylake seem god like. If anything they said (paraphrase) there's little difference. They basically focused on the bottom up in regards to performance loss of each generation.
And to be fair, they didn't mention or test the i3k.

They've written an entire article about how amazing Kabylake is vs Sandybridge.

OK let's put it this way. Intel's mindshare is so strong that their bots would do anything to appease their god.

I know they didn't test the I3K I didn't say they did, what I meant was this is nothing but more Intel propaganda.

Thankfully for at least once it doesn't seem to be working.

I know how Intel are dude. I've experienced it first hand. "Yes we will give you ES every couple of weeks and inside info and you will be allowed to stock the P4 but you can not sell any AMD products".

Couple of years back they had this *** squad on Linus' site where they basically bribed off bots to go around telling people to upgrade to Intel. It was seriously, seriously cringeworthy. In the end they stopped it, probably because it actually fell foul of the law or something but they would do anything to make a sale.

And nobody will ever take a stand because they are too scared.