Thelosouvlakia
Classy-Fried-Chicken
AMD and NVIDIA could fuck with Ubisoft and cockblock them with making their games unplayable on their hardware, effectively blocking UBI from the PC market, see how beeing slapped in the face feels like.....
All PC Gamers Are Pirates Says Ubisoft Executive
- Thread starter Dicehunter
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500 pirates = 500 less people who buy the game. That's 500 sales lost. Maybe not all of those people would've bought the game, but i doubt all 500 of those wouldn't buy it. Not to mention that they are still consuming the product. Just because the developer isn't losing money doesn't mean they don't suffer from piracy.
Word of mouth doesn't benefit the developer at all in that case because for a pirate the sentence "Hey, the game x is fantastic" is usually followed by "I can give the cracked version to you". Hence no sale.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Sadly a lot of people can't think logically like that though
Bottom line is, If you consume the product without paying for it by downloading it you are hurting the dev, Don't be cheap, Go buy it, Can't afford it then don't pirate.
Devs don't spend 4+ years making a game only for joe bloggs to come along and say "Oh it's ok if I download the whole game illegally and play it but then delete it" -_-
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barnsley
born in a.....
No I'm not being entirely serious but they both actually break the same rules.
To quote an EA game,
The person borrowing the game will most likely complete it and never buy it, removing the dev of a sale for example.
Oh, and anyone who has bypassed regional locks is also technically stealing as well dependent on content. Its another legal minefield.
Before this goes into a further sh*t storm (like this topic always has) I'd like to quote gaben.
I love how this convo has turned into a morals 'discussion' as opposed to trying to sort out the problem.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
It's because a lot of people are against piracy and rightfully so.
Greenback
Active member
And what's the difference saying you can borrow my paid for version for a solo game. Personally I'd class loaning a game the same as pirating, if you play a game all the way through and haven't paid for it then it's the same
That's debatable. I am still paying Netflix and i couldn't pay them more to unlock the other content. In fact i am paying more than americans.
On the other hand i don't know how Netflix pays for their licenses, you could argue that when i watch a movie which is locked in germany Netflix won't pay the producer.
It's a single license. If you lend your game to a friend he is the only one who can play the game. If you pirate a game the number of people who can play on the same license is unlimited and there is no obligation to return the game. Your friend would kill you if you'd just keep the game.
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nepas
New member
If not all of the 500 would have bought the game anyway,how have they lost 500 sales.Make your mind up,its one or the other.
@ Dicehunter:
I work for the company so its all free. But I should remove it as I always get accused of faking these speeds with a spoofer.
SuB
The Webmaster
For me the issue we PC gamers have is our purchases are non-refundable, non-returnable in most cases. Once you've put in that CD-Key, there's no going back. Console games have resell value, or refund available if you don't like it. We only have that with a few things, and most AAA titles, don't even think about it. Once you install the game, you're locked in pretty much (I'm aware origin has a 'thing' before anyone says it)
barnsley
born in a.....
Some licences are locked for certain regions as it goes against censorship laws so they have to make it illegal to cover their rears.
Also its removing money from the regional distributors.
Legal issues are so damn complicated.
What, how can anybody say it's one or the other. It's not 0 or 500. I'm sure there is no ratio, little correlation and not an explicit integer value of pirates who don't go on to buy the game but would of otherwise purchased it.
But you have to be pretty behind to not realise 'some' sales will be lost. Maybe it's 40% of the pirates, maybe it's over 100%. But it damn sure isn't 0%
JR
What? Just because some of those 500 people wouldn't have bought the game that means no sales have been lost? That makes no sense at all. How the hell is a pirated game not a lost sale, it makes no sense.
There are no regional distributors, else i wouldn't be using the VPN.
nepas
New member
Tell that to these Publishers who assume that every pirated copy is a lost sale,we all know that is not the case and I do agree that a lot of the pirated copies ARE lost sales,but they constantly say that EVERY pirated copy IS a lost sale.
Just come across this:
Greenback
Active member
Yes I agree the amounts is higher pirating than loaning but it still has the effect that eveytime a game is loaned it isn't money to the developer, 100 people buy the game and loan it to 5 friends then trade it in and the next 100 loan it to 5 friends, it's a slower process but the numbers could add up. It was part of the reason Microsoft wanted to stop games being traded on Xbox one
SPS
Moderator
Just come across this:
Lol.
1. They are controlling the free distribution of their game by issuing keys they have decided upon.
2. There's ONLY 10 keys.
barnsley
born in a.....
Because the person (I'm aware not everyone who pirates will eventually pay the game) who pirated it goes out and buys it. It does not cost the company anything to produce a digital copy.
Its not like stealing a physical copy of a game then going into the store to buy the same game, you're not getting rid of a sale as such. Its more like you steal the copy, return it then you buy it.
Heck, why would anyone pirate when the sheer amount of patching AAA games always need means you'd end up with a buggy copy anyway.
Well that's a very hard subject to debate. You could either argue for the developers losing out on money or for the consumer's right to share what they own. When games were still distributed on a physical medium game sharing cut devs out of money, but because of the restrictions of borrowing a game i guess that was a price the devs were willing to pay. In the digital age there are no restrictions to sharing your games with your 'friends'. Where to draw the line is hard to determine, but i think i'd rather have the single license model Microsoft is pushing than the 'muh freedom' approach a lot of gamers take.
Only a very small minority of pirates actually buys the game after pirating it.
Still don't see why youtube doesn't suffice as a source to get a first impression if that is all they are trying to achieve by pirating the game.
Other people are paying full price to play the game on release day while some pirates steal it and then buy the game later usually for a cheaper price, that's not fair either.
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