All PC Gamers Are Pirates Says Ubisoft Executive

[SparkleDJackson]

No offense dude but for a guy that uses netflix via vpn, which is not exactly legal either, should not be preaching morals.
Pirating can be discussed very diversly and there are studies that show that it actually helps the industry. Don't get me wrong, Pirating is a crime. But if you compare it to actually stealing material things, you are going to far imho.

dude netflix is a joke. i pay 9 quid a month for a 5th the content available on the us version. that is a load of anus. you cant stand on the internet therefore imo it should not have borders that say this content is not available in your region. its a load of crap

also theft is theft bro. if you steal music you are a thief. if you steal an apple you are a thief. if you steal some girls heart you a thief. regardless if something is tangible or not doesnt mean its not the same thing.

 

[Lazlo]

I pay the german price for Netflix (which is quite a bit more expenisve) and the VPN is legal.
Whether you steal something material worth $60 or something digital worth $60 makes no difference in my books.

I'm pretty sure bypassing region blocks via vpn violates terms of servcie.

 

[nepas]

Piracy is stealing

Only in the original sense of the word,but when you are talking about digital products then NO.

I never really bother with new releases anymore,I just wait until the GOTY edition comes out,by then you know if it is worth having or not.


Maybe these large companies should stop all this review embargo rubbish and go back to making demo's like they used to(how many AAA studios have released demos in the last few years?)

 

[Dicehunter]

Only in the original sense of the word,but when you are talking about digital products then NO.

I never really bother with new releases anymore,I just wait until the GOTY edition comes out,by then you know if it is worth having or not.


Maybe these large companies should stop all this review embargo rubbish and go back to making demo's like they used to(how many AAA studios have released demos in the last few years?)

Still theft, If you obtain said item without paying the asking price it's theft, Simple as.

Like if I downloaded Dragon Age Inquisition without paying for it, Theft, There's no way around it.

 

[barnsley]

I'm pretty sure bypassing region blocks via vpn violates terms of servcie.

For most companies it indeed does.

If they made valid demos, especially a timed version of the full game or even free weekend stuff like steam, piracy wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue. Banging on about morals will never change things.

I have my own opinion on pirating games (and before some idiot accuses me of it, no I don't pirate games) but I think there should be a difference between people who pirate to try (and then delete) and people who just pirate to keep. Indie devs seem to get it more right then AAA devs about Piracy, thats for sure.

 

[Warchild]

If I pirate a game I didn't prevent access or hurt anyone in the process. Developers still earn money because I buy their games, a lot of them..

I have always been polite, but now you are just being dumb...

You ARE hurting someone. Thinking of companies letting employees go because profits and revenues are down. You buy from other developers but what of the one you pirated from? YOU are providing the companies means to pay salaries when you buy games.

Do you have any idea what stealing is?

take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

Deleting a game doesnt not make it even.

I'm pretty sure bypassing region blocks via vpn violates terms of servcie.

VPN usage varies from country to country. I think and dont quote me, that in Norway there is nothing wrong with it. But if i remember right Sweden state it is misuse of terms and conditions therefore prohibited.

 

[barnsley]

take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

Deleting a game doesnt not make it even.

Surely Deleting said game is returning it in a way?

Its like returning the hardcopy of a game. No one actually makes/loses money on said copy except the reseller.

Remember he hasn't actively created the source for the torrent/is actively helping others to get it.

Now I think about it, I should probably just buy hardcopy Ubisoft games from now on. If I don't like it I can return it to game/Amazon and get my cash back.

People still borrow console games from friends right, surely that counts as Piracy?

-edit-
bypassing region locks is technically illegal.

 

[Innocent159]

TBH I don't care who pirates or download pirate games but my problem with this guy is that he is trying to make what he does acceptable and trying to tell all of us we wrong to think that he is stealing and that I can't take

 

[Dicehunter]

People still borrow console games from friends right, surely that counts as Piracy?

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I hope you're not being serious.

That's completely different as you are loaning out property you have paid for and no copy is being made.

TBH I don't care who pirates or download pirate games but my problem with this guy is that he is trying to make what he does acceptable and trying to tell all of us we wrong to think that he is stealing and that I can't take

Criminals always try to justify what they do.

 

[Warchild]

I sense this post getting locked. Debate appears to go no where, and while not derailed per se, certainly sidetracked away from the thread topic.

 

[Feronix]

I sense this post getting locked. Debate appears to go no where, and while not derailed per se, certainly sidetracked away from the thread topic.

Was about to post pretty much the same.

Guys, keep it constructive and on-topic. Nothing wrong with voicing your opinion on the matter, but please stay objective as much as you can.

 

[Warchild]

Back on topic.

Isn't console games pirated as much as PC? Maybe the only reason console piracy doesnt stand out is because consumers must first get their console chipped before they can happily go crazy.

 

[Greenback]

I hope you're not being serious.

That's completely different as you are loaning out property you have paid for and no copy is being made.

It's still in a sense depriving a company of money the same as pirating a game, buy a game loan it to 500 people buy a game torrent to 500 people the company has still lost 500 sales

I think companies should go back to demo's,
I get my games off of cdkey sites and normally wait until they drop in price in some cases they can get cheaper than steam sales

 

[Dicehunter]

It's still in a sense depriving a company of money the same as pirating a game, buy a game loan it to 500 people buy a game torrent to 500 people the company has still lost 500 sales

Yeah no, Sorry dude but that's completely unrealistic lol, Piracy is theft, Loaning a game that you bought out to a friend is not.



Anyway back on topic

I wonder what Ubi is going to say next, So far we've had -

• Resolution does not matter
  
  
• Frame rate doesn't matter 30 is fine as it's cinematic
  
  
• Graphics don't matter
  
  
• And finally this topic

Ubi just keep digging themselves deeper

 

[SuB]

Back on topic.

Isn't console games pirated as much as PC? Maybe the only reason console piracy doesnt stand out is because consumers must first get their console chipped before they can happily go crazy.

I said this PAAAAAGES ago

 

[JR23]

I wonder what Ubi is going to say next, So far we've had -

• Resolution does not matter
  
  
• Frame rate doesn't matter 30 is fine as it's cinematic
  
  
• Graphics don't matter
  
  And finally this topic

Ubi just keep digging themselves deeper

• but we are going to stay in this market just to screw with you guys 'le master trole XD'

JR

 

[Dicehunter]

• but we are going to stay in this market just to screw with you guys 'le master trole XD'

JR

Priceless ^_^

 

[Warchild]

I said this PAAAAAGES ago

Hehe sorry Sub. post and replies are racking up here at a hefty pace. Hard to keep up while working at my desk.

 

[Lazlo]

It's still in a sense depriving a company of money the same as pirating a game, buy a game loan it to 500 people buy a game torrent to 500 people the company has still lost 500 sales

I think companies should go back to demo's,
I get my games off of cdkey sites and normally wait until they drop in price in some cases they can get cheaper than steam sales

Just to be clear I am not advocating piracy. But it's not that simple as you describe it. Let's just assume all the 500 people would not buy the game even if they had no means of pirating. In theory them 500 people would make no difference to sales. That' why you absolutly can't count 500 pirate copys as 500 lost sales. That's why many people categorize pirating as a victimless crime.

Tldr:
Pirated copys do not equal lost sales (especially if you account for benefitial effects like word of mouth etc.)

 

[SparkleDJackson]

I sense this post getting locked. Debate appears to go no where, and while not derailed per se, certainly sidetracked away from the thread topic.

yea. bottom line is piracy is bad

holy hell i have just noticed your dl ul speeds. i could puke with jealousy