20nm Maxwell delayed

[WYP]

Last month Nvidia launched Maxwell with the mid-range GTX 750 and 750Ti GPUs, but still Keplar still reign as the king of Nvidia's high end GPUs.

Maxwell arrived still using the 28nm process, and it looks like that is not going to change anytime soon with the latest estimates placing Nvidia's move to the 20nm process in late 2014 to early 2015.

It is also claimed that Nvidiasee the shift from 28nm to 20nm as a necessary move from Nvidia in order to deliver high end, high performance Maxwell GPUs. This means that we will not be seeing a successor to GK110 based GPUs like the GTX 780 and 780Ti anytime soon.

This also could explain why the Maxwell based GTX 750 GPUs are not branded as 800 series GPU and why Nvidia did not talk about Maxwell during their GPU Technology Conference (GTC).

If Sweclockers' article is correct, we will have to get comfortable with Nvidia's 700 series for a while longer than expected.

Source - Sweclockers

 

[Zoot]

Kind of expected really, AMD have nothing on their roadmap for a new GPU this year either.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if they (Nvidia/AMD) skip 20nm entirely, and go with TSMC's 16nm process with FinFets.

Also there's this:
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...y-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless

 

[SieB]

2014 - The year all of the things get delayed

Everything seems to getting delayed till 2015 lately, I kind knew 20nm was either going to be skipped or delayed but a part of me was still hoping we would get something.
I don't think Nvidia or AMD can get anymore out of 28nm so I don't think we will see anything other than a refresh with a more power efficient 28nm architecture.

 

[CalVic]

Good! I'm glad things are delayed!

Makes me think my hardware is still somewhat decent

 

[SeekaX]

oh well, i planned to skip the first maxwell release and then get the refresh in 2015, now it seems like maxwell first gen might be the next upgrade.
even though it does seem like a good idea for them to release an update with the DX12 release, but if maxwell won't make it 2014 i suppose it will release in q1 2015, they surely won't have the 7xx series around for 2 years.
this might come in handy though, depending on Star Citizen's release date this might be early enough to already be in the price wars when Star Citizen hits.

 

[Damien c]

Well the rumours are still floating around and now they seem to be saying that the GTX880 could be coming out in July 2014.

It is claimed that the GTX880 will use the GM204 core, rather than the full fat GM210 core.

A recent report from Czech based PC hardware site PCtuning.cz has recently published some details on what their “sources” from an unidentified major graphics manufacturer claim to be the the sucessor to the GK104, which they believe will be named GM204. While exact details were not shared, they believe that the GM204 will probably be first introduced in the GeForce GTX 880 sometime in the July timeframe and will be followed by the flagship GM210 sometime later, similar to what Nvidia did with the GK104 and the GK110

The specs don't look to bad for the rumoured GTX880, but the memory bandwidth and bus seems a little low to me.

Source is CustomPCreview

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So what do you all think based on the rumoured specs?

 

[Dicehunter]

It is claimed that the GTX880 will use the GM204 core, rather than the full fat GM210 core.

So this is going to be the 780 and 780 Ti all over again.
I can see them releasing a titan type card with a nearly full fat GM210 core, Then they'll release the 880Ti with a full core but without the compute part of the titan and then they'll release the GM210 version of the Titan Black.

I'm getting kind of sick of this tactic though, I wish they would just release the full end product instead of drip feeding tech, I know they need to make as much money as possible by milking every last bit of tech but this is one reason why I'm starting to go off Nvidia as a company.

 

[SieB]

Calling fake, only 40 ROPs and a 256 bit bus? The 780Ti has 48 ROPs and a 384 bit bus.

 

[Wraith]

Well the rumours are still floating around and now they seem to be saying that the GTX880 could be coming out in July 2014.

It is claimed that the GTX880 will use the GM204 core, rather than the full fat GM210 core.
The specs don't look to bad for the rumoured GTX880, but the memory bandwidth and bus seems a little low to me.
Source is CustomPCreview

Link

So what do you all think based on the rumoured specs?

Calling fake, only 40 ROPs and a 256 bit bus? The 780Ti has 48 ROPs and a 384 bit bus.

I read the same thing about the GTX880 last night via Hardware360, but as SieB has pointed out I also noticed piss poor specs compared to the 780Ti.

Also has anyone else seen news of Intels Costa Rica plant being closed and moved to Malaysia? I hope for the enthusiasts that doesn't mean the end of the decent OC chips.

 

[Dicehunter]

Kind of expected really, AMD have nothing on their roadmap for a new GPU this year either.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if they (Nvidia/AMD) skip 20nm entirely, and go with TSMC's 16nm process with FinFets.

Also there's this:
http://www.extremetech.com/computin...y-with-tsmc-claims-22nm-essentially-worthless

That article is over 2 years old so some things might have changed.

 

[SeekaX]

I read the same thing about the GTX880 last night via Hardware360, but as SieB has pointed out I also noticed piss poor specs compared to the 780Ti.

Also has anyone else seen news of Intels Costa Rica plant being closed and moved to Malaysia? I hope for the enthusiasts that doesn't mean the end of the decent OC chips.

You mean overclocking monsters like the Haswell chips?:huh:

 

[SieB]

Apparently Intel are doing the opposite and making better OC chips. The upcoming Haswell refresh are all going to have better TIM and improved thermals for better OCing.

 

[Wraith]

You mean overclocking monsters like the Haswell chips?:huh:

Haswells have been a touch hit & miss I know but the Ivy Bs from Costa were on average much better for clocking.

 

[SeekaX]

Haswells have been a touch hit & miss I know but the Ivy Bs from Costa were on average much better for clocking.

I remember when those released, people refused for ages to pick them up because SB would overclock far better.