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Old 07-09-20, 10:36 AM
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Not exactly rushed back, instead of blaming the Government I'd question what your sisters schools were doing, my sons been back since wednesday and no problems and some of his friends at different schools with no outbreaks, Classes are kept in seperate so if somebody is suspected of it they only have to send that class home. Maybe the teachers at your sisters school enjoyed the long break to mauch and wanted more.
Typical "I'm alright jack" attitude on display here mate, my area has had cases rising for the past month, glad to know you're somewhere nice and less densely populated though. The rushed relaxing of the lockdown has already put Mancheester in an eternal state of limbo.

Instead of blaming the people who make the decisions you say I should blame the infected victims(Teachers, obviously the kids haven't been tested) for getting infected going back to work taking care of your kids for you? One teacher gets infected, that's 150 pupils(One class/year group in a working class area) off school. Took 3 teachers (Isolated from each other in different bubbles) for authorities to recommend closing the whole school. No wonder the countries in this state with this kind of bootlicking. Why would a govt. bother to make decisions for the good of the people over their friends when there's no accountability?

Until we have a true Zero COVID strategy as requested by Independent SAGE we haven't eliminated the risk of a another major wave, and there's no way this kind of risk exposure is a "Zero COVID" approach.

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Old 07-09-20, 10:41 AM
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Sorry buddy but I don't like this deal you can get a much better board than that one and unless the 3200 is CAS14 then I'd get something at 3600 as it's much better for Ryzen, the 3900XT is fantastic though, so yeah i seriously think you can do better separately
Yeah well as I said, things are not cheap here anyway. And I thought that board was mediocre at best. But look at these prices on just the mobo

the 3900XT in the deal is 6000 on its own.



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Not exactly rushed back, instead of blaming the Government I'd question what your sisters schools were doing, my sons been back since wednesday and no problems and some of his friends at different schools with no outbreaks, Classes are kept in seperate so if somebody is suspected of it they only have to send that class home. Maybe the teachers at your sisters school enjoyed the long break to mauch and wanted more.
This...

Oslo has seen a surge in adult cases and has become a hot zone again. However schools are still open and yet there are no reports on children cases. Segregation in schools here is done very smartly. Its quite funny, people here are blaming the government too, yet we have a tiny fraction of positive tests in comparison with UK.
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Old 07-09-20, 10:59 AM
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Typical "I'm alright jack" attitude on display here mate, my area has had cases rising for the past month, glad to know you're somewhere nice and less densely populated though.
Lol nope far from it

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Instead of blaming the people who make the decisions you say I should blame the infected victims(Teachers, obviously the kids haven't been tested) for getting infected going back to work taking care of your kids for you? One teacher gets infected, that's 150 pupils(One class/year group in a working class area) off school. Took 3 teachers for authorities to recommend closing the whole school. No wonder the countries in this state with this kind of bootlicking.
As I said my son's school are keeping classes separate, so a teacher gets it it's only that 1 class so unless that teacher has 150 pupils in the class, my sons school checks temperatures each day.

At the end of the day the country has to get back to normal, and to start that parents need to have their kids at school. money doesn't grow on trees and the Government can't keep borrowing
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Old 07-09-20, 11:07 AM
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As I said my son's school are keeping classes separate, so a teacher gets it it's only that 1 class so unless that teacher has 150 pupils in the class, my sons school checks temperatures each day.
All schools are bubbling their classes at the moment, but with staff shortages 150 pupil bubbles (IE one Year group) are not rare at all at the moment in inner city areas, many teachers have to teach multiple forms within the year group.


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At the end of the day the country has to get back to normal, and to start that parents need to have their kids at school. money doesn't grow on trees and the Government can't keep borrowing
How can the country go back to normal when we're maintaining and now potentially aiding the threat of a 2nd wave? The economic damage the UK has undergone from coronavirus vs other countries is has shown this "light touch" approach is not just bad for the public health, it inevitably harms the economy as it slows the eventual recovery. Similarly sized EU countries that underwent stronger lockdowns have been able to restart a lot of economic activity much earlier and with less risk.

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Please read some actual economic theory, honestly just any school of theory. The idea there is some kind of limit of state borrowing, or that a modern high GDP state could cause runaway inflation through this sort of state borrowing, doesn't fit into any actual school of economics, it's just Tory party fluff. I mean, just look at the inflation levels we've experienced over the last few months after hundreds of billions of new money "printed" into supply, it's essentially still "minflation" levels. We need to avoid deflation at any cost if we want to get people spending again, so quantitative easing/"printing money" to tide industries and people over with state aid until the risk is eliminated would actually be economically desirable. Besides not needing weird short term and still expensive schemes to bring back public spending confidence like "eat out to help out". It would also put money into the pockets of those most likely to spend it ofc, meaning significant chunks will go straight back in taxes.
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Old 07-09-20, 11:39 AM
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We had a lockdown and then people decided it was ok to go and mass riot and it hasn't stopped. and now we nave a spike of people mostly in their 20's
EU countries similar population to us Germany and France both getting a possible 2nd wave, if you go by Density it's only Germany which has a 2nd wave.
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Old 07-09-20, 11:46 AM
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We had a lockdown and then people decided it was ok to go and mass riot and it hasn't stopped. and now we nave a spike of people mostly in their 20's
EU countries similar population to us Germany and France both getting a possible 2nd wave, if you go by Density it's only Germany which has a 2nd wave.
Again I have to research to the scientific research here, national investigations found no rises in coronavirus cases due to BLM protests, there was a lot of independent research into this and not a single area of protests was found to have a measurable spike in the UK, and similar was found in other countries. The spikes have came in a period where very few protests were happening, and with track and trace we know where most infections are occurring, and it's predominantly amongst student populations returning to study in areas like Salford and Manchester with huge student populations. Is it any shock that the city with the largest student population in Europe is still under lockdown?

The link between schools and unis reopening and coronavirus spikes is not a new one, it's been seen in many many countries prior to us(France had to reclose 70 schools within a week on their first attempt), including our neighbour Scotland who's schools opened a couple of weeks earlier and is now on the verge of a new lockdown, more or less as Independent SAGE modelled would happen. These environments are the major point of contact between hundreds of potential asymptomatic carriers from different households.

Of course, this is exasperated in the UK by the privatisation of schooling and universities so that many are essentially operated as for-profit businesses, this happened much more recently in a complete sense with schooling when the "Academy system" was brought in, but none the less the effects in the way the UK isn't enforcing making nearly the same provisions for children as countries like Norway, which has strict regulations on the privatisation of schooling, and clear guidelines from their government on the approaches, are clear to see. We have some schools in the UK where teachers aren't even allowed to wear masks, and many others simply don't have resources to do much beyond minimal social distancing and enforcing masks.

This paper outlines a much more sensible approach for the UK based on modelling of spread, and more or less predicted the Scottish spikes: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...250-9/fulltext

If France and Germany do have 2nd waves it will have been long after they had restarted most economic activity and ended many initial restrictions, hence why their economic hit is far smaller than ours and they recovered sooner.
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Old 07-09-20, 11:56 AM
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Yeah well as I said, things are not cheap here anyway. And I thought that board was mediocre at best. But look at these prices on just the mobo

the 3900XT in the deal is 6000 on its own.





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Oslo has seen a surge in adult cases and has become a hot zone again. However schools are still open and yet there are no reports on children cases. Segregation in schools here is done very smartly. Its quite funny, people here are blaming the government too, yet we have a tiny fraction of positive tests in comparison with UK.
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Old 07-09-20, 12:22 PM
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Remember that most young people don't show symptoms so unless they went to get tested there wouldn't show a spike, but the side effect of those riots was that people started to ignore the lockdown, you can't tell thousands not to go to the beach if you allow 1000's to riot on the street.
My honest opinion is that they can keep a slow burn on the virus but eventually it's going to have to be herd immunity, because people in the west will not stand for what's needed, 6 weeks of very limited freedom
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Old 07-09-20, 12:41 PM
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Herd immunity doesn't work for something like this without a vaccine, if everyone in the UK caught coronavirus ~2 million would have died going from the mortality rate applied to over 60mil people, even if we were cold enough to separate from the human reality of that, no country could survive that hit economically, that kind of loss of life could take decades from a nations development. Even then immunity doesn't seem to be long term for everyone.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...x-for-covid-19

Even if we did get a vaccine, and we could eventually mass manufacture it for everyone, we may not be able to achieve herd immunity due to the rise of anti-intellectualism/anti-science mentality, often weaponised by commercial companies to lobby governments against restrictive public health measures(Most famously in tobacco and oil), meaning that huge chunks of countries like ours are inexplicably anti-vax. And that's if the vaccines work, and even if they do work they will likely only work for a short period before requiring a new vaccine, like flu.

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Remember that most young people don't show symptoms so unless they went to get tested there wouldn't show a spike, but the side effect of those riots was that people started to ignore the lockdown, you can't tell thousands not to go to the beach if you allow 1000's to riot on the street.
Might wanna check this timeline of events, people were filling beaches and having big VE day street parties feat. congas long before the mostly socially distance protests of people predominantly wearing masks. Working class people, particularly those from the BAME communities protesting, were having to cram onto busses, construction sites, ect to get to work for months prior to that anyway.
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So since I know absolutely nothing about AMD CPU these days, I wondered what people thought about this. If its a decent deal. Bear in mind its Norway so everything is insanely priced.

Also the GPU in this deal would cost me 20290 on its own. Only drawback is that I dont want the CPU cooler so my plan would be to sell it unopened.

Thats £2600 approx in GBP.
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