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Dicehunter said:
So 4 years ago my dad had a coronary stent, Nothing really serious, He just had artery plaque from eating crap, But never smoked, Never done drugs and gave drinking up a long time ago, Good weight, Blood pressure etc...

Anyway since then he has been trying to no avail to get an appointment with a cardiologist as the surgeon that put the stent in said a once per year check up is advised, Everything looks great right now but just to be on the safe side a once per year exam is advised.

Anyway today he rang up the doctors to try yet again and the doctor on the call said maybe in the next 12-18 months there may be a free spot, Even if he goes private, Which he cannot afford, There still may be a 12 month wait to see a cardiologist.

I've said it many times, The private and national health care systems in the UK need a major overhaul and many of the doctors need to be reviewed, If I could right now I'd move my dad over to Germany where this type of appointment with a cardiologist wouldn't be looked at as winning the lottery.

It seems if you have a psychological issue you can get help quite quickly in comparison, Physical issue or want a simple checkup ? Better chance of finding Solomons mines.
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I really hate the UK system. Same nonsense for my father RIP. He was put on a 9month waiting list to have a critical heart triple bypass. The only way to skip the queue was to have another heart attack.. well guess what? he did, making it his third. Not sure if hes lucky or not in that respect. The guy was almost invincible having survived 4 major attacks. Sadly the 5th got him.

However the one he had to get to skip the queue is the one that did the most damage to him, and caused so much scarring on the heart that a pacemaker would never be possible. Even the surgery was not as successful as it could have been.


That being said, it amazed me how unhealthy the UK nation had become (this was 15 years ago). He had his own health to blame being a smoker from 10yrs old, and bad diet throughout his life. But imagine if people all looked after themselves, maybe that queue may have been just one month or less. Maybe it would have been limited to those with heriditary issues, who knows. Maybe NHS wouldnt be in the state its in now, having to divert resources to excessive drinkers on a friday night. Either way, for many years I hated british people (no disrespect to others now) simply because of how they didnt gave a damn. Chain smoking, excessive alcohol, junk food binging etc. And marketing everything in such a way that it was all cheap. I had to watch my brother grow and turn out like my father :(

I used to love going home to france to visit family because the lifestyle was much more pleasant and healthy then. Nowadays its not that much different in many places in France.
 
UK's healthcare issues are surprisingly simple in that respect, it's the lowest funded system per capita of its kind in the world, if the NHS could hire all the staff they currently require/have long term vacancies/requests for, waiting lists would plummet on that alone, as it's also currently the most efficient system of its kind in the world for treatment provided per amount of money put into it. Still a shortage in the number of hospitals too but that one's less critical atm.

But yeah, covid has really exasperated the staff shortage issue to breaking point.
 
Warchild said:
I really hate the UK system. Same nonsense for my father RIP. He was put on a 9month waiting list to have a critical heart triple bypass. The only way to skip the queue was to have another heart attack.. well guess what? he did, making it his third. Not sure if hes lucky or not in that respect. The guy was almost invincible having survived 4 major attacks. Sadly the 5th got him.

However the one he had to get to skip the queue is the one that did the most damage to him, and caused so much scarring on the heart that a pacemaker would never be possible. Even the surgery was not as successful as it could have been.

That being said, it amazed me how unhealthy the UK nation had become (this was 15 years ago). He had his own health to blame being a smoker from 10yrs old, and bad diet throughout his life. But imagine if people all looked after themselves, maybe that queue may have been just one month or less. Maybe it would have been limited to those with heriditary issues, who knows. Maybe NHS wouldnt be in the state its in now, having to divert resources to excessive drinkers on a friday night. Either way, for many years I hated british people (no disrespect to others now) simply because of how they didnt gave a damn. Chain smoking, excessive alcohol, junk food binging etc. And marketing everything in such a way that it was all cheap. I had to watch my brother grow and turn out like my father :(

I used to love going home to france to visit family because the lifestyle was much more pleasant and healthy then. Nowadays its not that much different in many places in France.
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Luckily my dad has always generally eaten healthy but had a little stint in his 40's where he didn't, Hence the stent due to plaque build up, But he has never smoked, Never took drugs, Gave up drink a long time ago, Is a healthy weight with normal blood pressure and a resting heart rate of 60, I also make sure to keep him on a very clean meal plan, He saw a trainee cardiologist 1 year ago as that's all that was available who said "your heart especially for a 72 year old is in very good condition" but again he was a trainee so for simple peace of mind he's been trying to see a fully qualified cardiologist but it's like banging your head against a brick wall, It's infuriating.

Also you are spot on with the general health of people in the UK, It's terrible but sadly it's getting like that everywhere.

tgrech said:
UK's healthcare issues are surprisingly simple in that respect, it's the lowest funded system per capita of its kind in the world, if the NHS could hire all the staff they currently require/have long term vacancies/requests for, waiting lists would plummet on that alone, as it's also currently the most efficient system of its kind in the world for treatment provided per amount of money put into it. Still a shortage in the number of hospitals too but that one's less critical atm.

But yeah, covid has really exasperated the staff shortage issue to breaking point.
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Both my aunties were nurses in the NHS, 3 of my cousins are nurses and my uncle is a doctor but currently working in Spain, All have said something similar when it comes to the NHS, The NHS has way too many bosses and not enough doctors and nurses, My local hospital near London has 3 directors who all got pay raises while at the same time 20 nurses, The nutritionist and ENT were all "let go", It shouldn't have any directors, It's a nonsense job setup simply to give people with the right school tie a job that a blind paraplegic monkey could do.
 
TL;DR: NHS reforms may have made it financially more efficient but addressing the middle management issues in itself hasn't been found to bring meaningful improvements to patient care as it doesn't solve the more critical problems with staff vacancies in already funded positions and flaws in the underlying approach to social care, the funding gap was always too large for any of these efficiency gains from staff reorganisation to be able fix it.



NHS did undergo quite a large top down restructuring that was meant to remove most of middle management positions and the oversight institutions and bodies through 2012-2013, still management positions within the NHS and still sometimes too many in the wrong places, and research by the Kings Fund found that the focus on "rearranging deckchairs" rather than focusing on improving end patient care and filling the frontline staff gap in the already fully funded but vacant positions "were distracting and damaging" to end results and inadvertently made the system even more complex than it was before they abolished hundreds of trusts for "streamlining".

They revisited this topic quite recently while going over the effects of the last attempt at streamlining, drawing parallels to what would be attempted or possible if the already borderline skeleton staffed NHS underwent more restructuring before any increase in frontline staffing, particularly the way the changes would eat up legislative time that could be focused on more direct and obvious issues affecting waiting times and social care and such: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2019/10/politicians-nhs-reorganisation
 
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@Warchild My older brother has just moved to France as the lifestyle there is so much different than in the UK. I'll look forward to visiting him when I can.
 
tgrech said:
TL;DR: NHS reforms may have made it financially more efficient but addressing the middle management issues in itself hasn't been found to bring meaningful improvements to patient care as it doesn't solve the more critical problems with staff vacancies in already funded positions and flaws in the underlying approach to social care, the funding gap was always too large for any of these efficiency gains from staff reorganisation to be able fix it.



NHS did undergo quite a large top down restructuring that was meant to remove most of middle management positions and the oversight institutions and bodies through 2012-2013, still management positions within the NHS and still sometimes too many in the wrong places, and research by the Kings Fund found that the focus on "rearranging deckchairs" rather than focusing on improving end patient care and filling the frontline staff gap in the already fully funded but vacant positions "were distracting and damaging" to end results and inadvertently made the system even more complex than it was before they abolished hundreds of trusts for "streamlining".

They revisited this topic quite recently while going over the effects of the last attempt at streamlining, drawing parallels to what would be attempted or possible if the already borderline skeleton staffed NHS underwent more restructuring before any increase in frontline staffing, particularly the way the changes would eat up legislative time that could be focused on more direct and obvious issues affecting waiting times and social care and such: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2019/10/politicians-nhs-reorganisation
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The problem is, And this is direct from my own family members within the NHS, There are still far too many useless "bosses" that soak up a hell of a lot of money, 1 director, Who is useless, Will cost the same as 4 x nurses, It's ludicrous but as I said these are jobs for people with the right school tie and the right handshake.


On top of that many doctors are not there to help people, They are there for money and to act as dealers for big pharmaceutical companies, My ex doctor tried to get me on his newly acquired blood pressure medication even though my blood pressure is quite normal and I'm very physically fit and healthy, Other people I spoke to in there said he tried to get them on all manner of medications they didn't need and this is becoming a very normal practise for doctors in the UK, They worship money and they don't care how many lives they ruin in their pursuit of their god called money.
 
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Tolemac said:
@Warchild My older brother has just moved to France as the lifestyle there is so much different than in the UK. I'll look forward to visiting him when I can.
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Not sure where in France. But it is such a beautiful country. Where I grew up, its like returning and going back in time, where cottages and houses were the norm instead of semi detached, or flats etc.

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This is my mothers place that she bought last year. With a garden that circles the entire building. Mobile coverage sucks, but internet speed still beats 90% of UK :D
 
Warchild said:
Not sure where in France. But it is such a beautiful country. Where I grew up, its like returning and going back in time, where cottages and houses were the norm instead of semi detached, or flats etc.

101959199_10222956959972851_2137544290518171648_n.jpg


This is my mothers place that she bought last year. With a garden that circles the entire building. Mobile coverage sucks, but internet speed still beats 90% of UK :D
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It's the same when I visit family in Germany, Coming back is honestly a bit of a shock as general quality of life is much lower unless you have a good amount of money, Healthcare is so much worse and everything is run for pure profit and run into the ground, All of which annoy the crap out of me as I have met and know some absolutely wonderful people in the UK that deserve better.
 
Warchild said:
Not sure where in France. But it is such a beautiful country. Where I grew up, its like returning and going back in time, where cottages and houses were the norm instead of semi detached, or flats etc.

101959199_10222956959972851_2137544290518171648_n.jpg


This is my mothers place that she bought last year. With a garden that circles the entire building. Mobile coverage sucks, but internet speed still beats 90% of UK :D
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I have 2 French cousins ones in Montpelier which is a beautiful place and the other is on the French belgian border. My brother is near Limoges but he clearly is loving the relaxed way of life over there. My plan is to go by train from the UK and hopefully get to go on the TGV as well as the Eurostar.
 
Dice my girlfriend is (working) student doctor and my mums a midwife (And one of my sisters is a temp Covid tester atm), I know about the pay gaps, but there are so few directors now that even cutting them all out wouldn't fix the funding gap. (Though your pay on the NHS is heavily down to how long you've worked there in any job in it.).

Unlike some countries UK doctors cannot sell drugs AT ALL, they can only prescribe you them, ie give a pharmacy (Which are independent companies) permission to sell you drugs, and there's no way they can personally gain from that financially, and pharmaceuticals is a different area of study, expertise and industry from medicine. There IS an issue with UK docs just prescribing pills instead of fully dealing with issues, but that's down to staff shortages of GPs limiting appointment times to a couple of minutes.
 
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Tolemac said:
I have 2 French cousins ones in Montpelier which is a beautiful place and the other is on the French belgian border. My brother is near Limoges but he clearly is loving the relaxed way of life over there. My plan is to go by train from the UK and hopefully get to go on the TGV as well as the Eurostar.
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I was hoping to drive to france this summer, starting in Norway, then going through Denmark, Germany, Netherlands and Belgium.
 
Woohoo maybe there is hope for this week after all? just sold my 2080Ti FE block I've had sitting around since March :D
 
Probably the only thing they have ever made I like the look of. I like how they've done it so it looks more like a distro plate than a WB.
 
AlienALX said:
At least it looks nice, unlike what they've made in the past.

Their stuff usually just looks like generic cheap tat.
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Are we looking at the same company?

This is not generic cheap tat. Its better than EK and bitspower if you ask me. Id take this over any barrow, bykski, or EK block anyday

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