which radiator set up is best

Sheppy

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I am looking to set up a water cooled system but was wondering.
is a 40mm thick 360 radiator in push pull better than a 60mm 360 radiator in pull.
the 40mm would be an xspc multiport radiator, and the 60mm would be the phobya g-changer.
both would use nanoxia deep silence fans in a haf x case.
 
^ With those specific rads I can tell you the the 40mm XSPC (I assume its the AX series?) will perform better than the 60mm Phobya, as both the rads have a fairly high FPI they are best used in higher RPM and/or Push Pull. The Phobya will be struggling in only pull, as it is both 60mm and high FPI.

If you went with a lower FPI 60mm rad like a Coolgate it would give generally higher performance with a single row fan setup than the Phobya at mid-low RPMs say 1200rpm and below.

Question: What size fans and what RPM are you planning on running the fans at? as that is the deciding factor on what rad thickness and fin density rad you should get.
 
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60mm will most of the times be better due to more surface area. I can speak for the g changer they are very good rads. I had one running in push pull with coolermaster fans cheap ones not high static pressure ones and it performed beautifully so imho a 60mm rad with good fans will beat out a 40mm rad with push/pull
 
60mm will most of the times be better due to more surface area. I can speak for the g changer they are very good rads. I had one running in push pull with coolermaster fans cheap ones not high static pressure ones and it performed beautifully so imho a 60mm rad with good fans will beat out a 40mm rad with push/pull

Most of the time, this is true however in this particular case, the fan speed is important to consider (as is the fpi of the radiator). If you are planning on running low speed fans, I would suggest considering different vendors for your rad: specifically Alphacool their series of rads have low fpi and a number of thicknesses to choose from. If you go this route then thicker is better. Otherwise, push/pull will win purely because of the amount of air being moved.

If planning for high speed fans, then SINs point is the one worth listening to.
 
fan speed plays a part but static pressure is more important high static pressure means it can push the air thru easier fan speed just means it moves more air but if it cant push it thru due to low static pressure then no matter how fast it spins it aint pushing shite. So I stand by my comment 60mm thick rad better than 40mm thick rad with the right fans.
 
fan speed plays a part but static pressure is more important high static pressure means it can push the air thru easier fan speed just means it moves more air but if it cant push it thru due to low static pressure then no matter how fast it spins it aint pushing shite. So I stand by my comment 60mm thick rad better than 40mm thick rad with the right fans.

Yes, you are right that static pressure is more important than fan speed in regards to performance in thicker and higher FPI rads. But nonetheless the fan speed has a big part also, since higher fan speed equals higher static pressure and more air throughput. Another important factor is 140mm fans have significantly lower static pressure than an equal speed and design 120mm fan. Which Is why I asked what size fan/rad was in question as well as fan RPM, both very important to pick the right rad.

The thicker rad does not always have better temps, it depends on how well the FPI and fan size/speed complement each other. eg if using a 140mm fan at medium to low RPM, and rad that is also 60mm thick, then I would highly recommend a lower FPI rad like Alphacool/Coolgate so the low static pressure 140mm fan can get enough airflow through the 60mm rad, otherwise performance will not be better than a 40mm thick rad in push pull.

If using a 120mm fan rad, then due to general higher static pressure of 120mm fans you can get away with higher FPI at the same thickness, but if you will be running at low RPM then again low FPI at 60mm is recommended, so it all depends.

Bottom-line: Fan size, Fan Static Pressure, Fan Speed, Rad thickness, Rad FPI are ALL equally important to match to get best performance, you simply can't say 60mm is better than 40mm without taking into account the other factors, you can say though that a 60mm rad does have more performance potential than a 40mm rad (if same FPI), and IF and only if the other factors complement it.
 
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You guys can all continue debating about all these factors but yet Sheppy has not even stated which fans he will use so all this debate is sort of pointless. ^_^
 
thanks for all your input
the phobia g-changer according to specialtech has an fpi of 7.
and the fans I intend to use are the nanoxia deep silence 120mm rated at 60.1 cfm at 1300rpm at only 14db.
I intend to run fans at 12V.

planned rig is similar to toms assassin project rig with some slight difference`s.
Case Haf X
Mobo G1 Sniper z87 ( waiting on one of toms awesome reviews)
Cpu Intel i5 4670k ( plan to overclock thanks to toms great overclocking guide)
Ram 16GB corsair platinum 2400
Gpu Evga Gtx 780ti hydro copper ( according to web site forums expected early next year)
already have xspc front dual mounted res with d5 pump case modded so as can fill without removing res.
plan to run three ssd`s eventually 1, o/s and suddries. 2nd, steam game files. 3rd, Ea origin game files.
also plan to delid haswell chip
 
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so I guess noise isnt an issue for you. The fans should be fine @12v but loud and even slightly louder when set next to a rad. Are you just looking for green fans?? Cause there are a lot better static pressure fans available in the 120mm range.
 
no noise is not a consideration as I always wear headset on pc and am stuck away in a little room so I can shout at other players to my hearts content
 
Just looking on specialtech and according to them:
phobya g-changer v2 has 7 fpi
Alphacool UT60 10 fpi
xspc ax 360 16 fpi (had to search for this 1)
I have a g-changer in my loop and with AP-15 fans and it works fine
 
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