Which build should I choose for gaming?

[Juusuhako]

Hi,
brothers in need of a new gaming rig, and I have 3 builds and wondered which is most worth it.

i5-6600k - £1408 (ddr4)
i7-4790k - £1417 (ddr3)
i7-5820k - £1534 (ddr4)

They all 3 have 16GB ram, 850w PSU and an MSI 980ti. For £18 less it'll be a 750w PSU, but I dont know if he would need 750w or 850w should he ever want a 2nd 980ti. So basically only the CPU and Motherboard is different.

Thanks in advance.

 

[MadShadow]

I'd go with the Skylake i5 for gaming. It'll probably be faster than the Haswell i7s as most games don't use more than 4 cores and Skylake has better single-threaded performance. Also DDR4 is nice to have and the platform is the most recent and has the newest features

 

[Juusuhako]

I'd go with the Skylake i5 for gaming. It'll probably be faster than the Haswell i7s as most games don't use more than 4 cores and Skylake has better single-threaded performance. Also DDR4 is nice to have and the platform is the most recent and has the newest features

Okay, I honestly thought ppl would say 4790k since its an i7 and... well, it still costs more than the 6600k (not that more equals better), but I figured there has to be reasons for it?

 

[Davva2004]

Skylake i5 6600k, £200 worth of gaming awesomeness that over clocks like a champ.

The 5820k isn't a very good choice for gaming as games like fewer and faster cores, not more and slower ones.

 

[MadShadow]

Okay, I honestly thought ppl would say 4790k since its an i7 and... well, it still costs more than the 6600k (not that more equals better), but I figured there has to be reasons for it?

The HT is great for a workstation that actually would use 8 threads, but gaming doesn't really do that.

 

[cooperman]

Skylake i5 6600k, £200 worth of gaming awesomeness that over clocks like a champ.

The 5820k isn't a very good choice for gaming as games like fewer and faster cores, not more and slower ones.

I dont know about that DX12 gameing is allmost here (more core useage in games and better efficient use of them) and considering you can build a i7 6700k rig for the same as a x99 5820k rig for the same price seems like a no brainer to me and if you are spending £1500 on a rig anyway i see no reason not to x99 6 core goodeness.

But shure the i5 will be fine for gameing. ^_^

 

[Juusuhako]

Skylake i5 6600k, £200 worth of gaming awesomeness that over clocks like a champ.

The 5820k isn't a very good choice for gaming as games like fewer and faster cores, not more and slower ones.

Im honestly no expert when it comes to OCing. I have a 3570k myself but I pretty much just upped the MHz to 4300 and left the voltage on auto (temps. 30ish idle, 40-50ish load). But I dont know if I can "just" do that aswell with his...

The HT is great for a workstation that actually would use 8 threads, but gaming doesn't really do that.

Alright.

I dont know about that DX12 gameing is allmost here (more core useage in games and better efficient use of them) and considering you can build a i7 6700k rig for the same as a x99 5820k rig for the same price seems like a no brainer to me and if you are spending £1500 on a rig anyway i see no reason not to.

But shure the i5 will be fine for gameing. ^_^

Thats true. Its not me spending the money but my brother, and he put the limit. While £1500 is within the budget, he doesnt wanna spend that much if its not efficient.

 

[Davva2004]

I dont know about that DX12 gameing is allmost here (more core useage in games and better efficient use of them) and considering you can build a i7 6700k rig for the same as a x99 5820k rig for the same price seems like a no brainer to me and if you are spending £1500 on a rig anyway i see no reason not to x99 6 core goodeness.

But shure the i5 will be fine for gameing. ^_^

Building a 5820K rig for gaming is definitely a no brainer, as in you'd have to be brainless to consider doing it.

If you look at the benchmarks for gaming - and I mean real games, not multi threaded synthetic benchmarks - then you'll see that the 5820K is thoroughly trounced by the 4690K and 4790K (which perform identically in games, despite the extra cost of the 4790K) and both of these are beaten by the new Skylake chips.

There is absolutely no point in spending more money on a slower CPU with more cores or hyperthreading for gaming.

 

[Excalabur50]

I agree with the others I5 6600k is the way to go for gaming with the money you save put it to a better GPU or SSD or something

 

[Juusuhako]

Im reading alot about DX12 utilizing more cores, making 5820k - in theory - a better CPU for gaming? While I realize its also more expensive, perhaps the utilization of 2 more cores is worthwhile if hes gonna be using this pc for several years to come?

 

[cooperman]

Im reading alot about DX12 utilizing more cores, making 5820k - in theory - a better CPU for gaming? While I realize its also more expensive, perhaps the utilization of 2 more cores is worthwhile if hes gonna be using this pc for several years to come?

Well no one knows whats going to happen after several years but lets say you whanted to start streaming videos and makeing video's for youtube then the extra cores are helpfull.
A quad core i5 is a perfect cpu for gameing i was just pointing out the price difference between skylake and x99 is so close i'd go for the 6 core for my self.

 

[Juusuhako]

Well no one knows whats going to happen after several years but lets say you whanted to start streaming videos and makeing video's for youtube then the extra cores are helpfull.
A quad core i5 is a perfect cpu for gameing i was just pointing out the price difference between skylake and x99 is so close i'd go for the 6 core for my self.

Hes never gonna be streaming or making videos, thats for sure. But (even though we cant tell yet), if DX12 is really gonna utilize more than 4 cores in games, then 5820k should be better than the current Skylake CPUs.

That being said, I dont know how utilization works; is it all games made with DX12, or do developers also have to implement core utilization? Because if they do, I could easily see developers doing games with DX12 but only having them utilize 4 cores (similar to how some developers lock the FPS at 30)

 

[Damien c]

Go for the 6600k as if your brother decides to use more than one GPU and wants to run a NVME SSD I think it is, then the extra pci-e lanes will help from the 6600k compared to the 4790k and the 5820k.

 

[SpencerUk]

Im reading alot about DX12 utilizing more cores, making 5820k - in theory - a better CPU for gaming? While I realize its also more expensive, perhaps the utilization of 2 more cores is worthwhile if hes gonna be using this pc for several years to come?

I'm in the same situation.

Maybe someone else can answer this but whats the viability of the X99 platform in 2 years time?. Assuming that your Brother is wanting something to last a little longer than average and then focus sole money to GPU upgrading, could be viable?

Go for the 6600k as if your brother decides to use more than one GPU and wants to run a NVME SSD I think it is, then the extra pci-e lanes will help from the 6600k compared to the 4790k and the 5820k.

Hes never gonna be streaming or making videos, thats for sure. But (even though we cant tell yet), if DX12 is really gonna utilize more than 4 cores in games, then 5820k should be better than the current Skylake CPUs.

That being said, I dont know how utilization works; is it all games made with DX12, or do developers also have to implement core utilization? Because if they do, I could easily see developers doing games with DX12 but only having them utilize 4 cores (similar to how some developers lock the FPS at 30)

If you don't mind me asking, how old is your brother?

We're not gonna see a mainstream set of DX12 games until 2017 I'd say (unless theres some magical development program that can convert all games from DX11 to DX12 and boost performance) so it goes back to what the viability of X99 is in 2 years time.

 

[Juusuhako]

Go for the 6600k as if your brother decides to use more than one GPU and wants to run a NVME SSD I think it is, then the extra pci-e lanes will help from the 6600k compared to the 4790k and the 5820k.

X99 cant run sli? And never have I mentioned "NVME SSD". I dont even know what it is, so I'll just leave that one be.

I'm in the same situation.

Maybe someone else can answer this but whats the viability of the X99 platform in 2 years time?. Assuming that your Brother is wanting something to last a little longer than average and then focus sole money to GPU upgrading, could be viable?

If you don't mind me asking, how old is your brother?

We're not gonna see a mainstream set of DX12 games until 2017 I'd say (unless theres some magical development program that can convert all games from DX11 to DX12 and boost performance) so it goes back to what the viability of X99 is in 2 years time.

Hes 24. Like I said I dont know how utilization works. For all I know, with W10 and DX12, any game (current games aswell) would be able to utilize 6 cores. I dont know if the way a game is developed also has a factor in core utilization, or if its strictly DX12.

 

[SpencerUk]

X99 cant run sli? And never have I mentioned "NVME SSD". I dont even know what it is, so I'll just leave that one be.



Hes 24. Like I said I dont know how utilization works. For all I know, with W10 and DX12, any game (current games aswell) would be able to utilize 6 cores. I dont know if the way a game is developed also has a factor in core utilization, or if its strictly DX12.

From what I understand the X99 can do SLI. I think I read somewhere the 5820k can do 2 way SLI but 3 or 4 is out of the question. Could be wrong. Maybe someone on here can confirm?

In that case if you tell him he can do recordings of his gameplay, he'll look at doing it, especially if he has some free time to edit videos.

Direct X 12 may better utilise the cores, but nobody knows for certain its going to be the case from what I'm reading on various forums..If you must have the extra cores then deciding between a 6700k and a 5820k is a real no brainer. However deciding between a 6600k and a 5820k is a little harder...extra cores and potentially £125 or so more build cost, extra power draw, but more power and potentially a system that will last longer.

 

[cooperman]

Wut? x99 has 40 pcie v3 lanes!
Edit the 5820k has 28-lanes

 

[Juusuhako]

From what I understand the X99 can do SLI. I think I read somewhere the 5820k can do 2 way SLI but 3 or 4 is out of the question. Could be wrong. Maybe someone on here can confirm?

In that case if you tell him he can do recordings of his gameplay, he'll look at doing it, especially if he has some free time to edit videos.

Direct X 12 may better utilise the cores, but nobody knows for certain its going to be the case from what I'm reading on various forums..If you must have the extra cores then deciding between a 6700k and a 5820k is a real no brainer. However deciding between a 6600k and a 5820k is a little harder...extra cores and potentially £125 or so more build cost, extra power draw, but more power and potentially a system that will last longer.

Alright, guess I need to think about it. 6700k and 5820k does more or less have the same pricetag after all, but overall 5820k should be more powerful (if we take aside the budget-friendly 6600k). I guess I shouldnt go by the idea that just because Skylake is the newest is must be the best.

Wut? x99 has 40 pcie v3 lanes!
Edit the 5820k has 28-lanes

Meaning what?

 

[cooperman]

Meaning what?

http://www.techpowerup.com/204387/i...atures-fewer-pci-express-lanes-after-all.html

 

[Juusuhako]

http://www.techpowerup.com/204387/i...atures-fewer-pci-express-lanes-after-all.html

Oh, well thats no worries, considering he would never go beyond 2 GPUs to begin with. But even so I believe the single 980ti will keep him happy for at least a few years.