Using 55"-65" OLED tv as monitor

[SebastianAltena]

I'm thinking about buying 55"-65" OLED tv and using it as monitor.
I'm currently using 32" panasonic viera E30 as my only display, it's perfect compromise between: large enough for movies and games, and small enough for editing documents and browsing web. I should also note that my eyesight isn't perfect, anything below 24" for 1080p is too small for me to read, also I find 4k unusable for windows 7 desktop without scaling(which sucks on win 7) , on any screen size, so I will probably use 1080p for desktop even if display supports 4k.
I have two ways of integrating OLED in my setup:
1st reorganizing my pc desk so that I can sit farther away from screen and putting OLED on it.
2nd leaving my pc desk as is, set up OLED as secondary display, bolt it to a wall, buy another smaller desk for 2nd keyboard, mouse, and another set of speakers.
I would obviously prefer 1st solution. So does anyone have any experience with big screens? Could they be practical for text editing and other boring pc stuff?

 

[NeverBackDown]

TVs tend to display PC very poorly. It'll look like a raw image. Very rough edges and poor input lag makes the experience pretty poor.
Lucky most major TV companies like Samsung and LG allow you to rename inputs, and if you enter an input called PC, it fixes the edge issue and let's the display make it look like a monitor. The input lag is still an issue however for most TVs.

The above is my experience with a 32 inch Sony TV. What I loved was the ability to see basically 4 pages of a word document at once. However the terrible text and at 1080p even on a small TV made it such a pain the look at. Zooming in helps but it also just exaggerates the rough text look.
I would not advise it tbh. It's probably better to get a 3440x1440 or 2560x1080 than a massive screen. Just my opinion

 

[SebastianAltena]

TVs tend to display PC very poorly. It'll look like a raw image. Very rough edges and poor input lag makes the experience pretty poor.
Lucky most major TV companies like Samsung and LG allow you to rename inputs, and if you enter an input called PC, it fixes the edge issue and let's the display make it look like a monitor. The input lag is still an issue however for most TVs.

The above is my experience with a 32 inch Sony TV. What I loved was the ability to see basically 4 pages of a word document at once. However the terrible text and at 1080p even on a small TV made it such a pain the look at. Zooming in helps but it also just exaggerates the rough text look.
I would not advise it tbh. It's probably better to get a 3440x1440 or 2560x1080 than a massive screen. Just my opinion

Please READ MY 1ST POST!!
No dude just no, I'm not sure what you mean by "Very rough edges" I'm guessing that you mean chunky pixels which is a problem if you are sitting very close to big ass screen, and input lag on some tvs it's a problem, on my viera E30 it's not, 30ms. (and yes I measured it, and calibrated my tv) And is even better on OLEDs. https://youtu.be/3U523QgOFBc?t=2m42s
Also I don't think your sony tv was set up correctly: 1080i instead of 1080p, or incorrect color format (should be ycbcr444), or simply wrong sharpness settings (on E30 it must be set at 0 instead of default 5)

 

[NeverBackDown]

Oh I'm terribly sorry. I thought you were asking for help and experience, since you know everything apparently, why do you bother to ask? You obviously know more.

 

[AlienALX]

Oh I'm terribly sorry. I thought you were asking for help and experience, since you know everything apparently, why do you bother to ask? You obviously know more.

 

[SebastianAltena]

Oh I'm terribly sorry. I thought you were asking for help and experience, since you know everything apparently, why do you bother to ask? You obviously know more.

I worked as home theater installer and calibrator, so yes I do know a lot about av gear, and it wasn't my question, I asked if big screen would be practical for text editing, etc. because it's well big, I need it for work and entertainment. I didn't ask how to hook up pc to tv and make it look amazing. that's why I told You to read my 1st post.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I worked as home theater installer and calibrator, so yes I do know a lot about av gear, and it wasn't my question, I asked if big screen would be practical for text editing, etc. because it's well big, I need it for work and entertainment. I didn't ask how to hook up pc to tv and make it look amazing. that's why I told You to read my 1st post.

Lmao dude I never said anything about AV gear nor how to hook things up.
You literally asked if people had experience with big screens and if they are practical for text editing. You can't even follow your own thread and questions. Just to clarify. I answered. Now instead of trying to be a know it all and claiming others experience is completely invalid, just go buy the TV and try it yourself. Again you're just so smart you should already know what to expect right?
You should read what I said earlier. Because it answered your question.

Before replying make sure to read what I said. Because you obviously skimmed it. I told you what to expect and what every TV I have ever used with a PC does. Even an OLED. So either take the advice or ignore it and be all high and mighty that you know more than me even though I just told you my experience. If it's the latter, then buy the damn TV and figure it out honestly.

 

[SebastianAltena]

Lmao dude I never said anything about AV gear nor how to hook things up.
You literally asked if people had experience with big screens and if they are practical for text editing. You can't even follow your own thread and questions. Just to clarify. I answered. Now instead of trying to be a know it all and claiming others experience is completely invalid, just go buy the TV and try it yourself. Again you're just so smart you should already know what to expect right?
You should read what I said earlier. Because it answered your question.

Before replying make sure to read what I said. Because you obviously skimmed it. I told you what to expect and what every TV I have ever used with a PC does. Even an OLED. So either take the advice or ignore it and be all high and mighty that you know more than me even though I just told you my experience. If it's the latter, then buy the damn TV and figure it out honestly.

Look I know you are trying to help, but before you do please read my first post.
I am using TV as monitor (32" panasonic viera E30), compared to my previous monitor (1080p asus 24") It's better in every way, it did need a few tweaks like switching from RGB to ycbcr444, adjusting gamma, white levels(RGB levels) and sharpness. You might have had some bad experiences with tvs but the fact is that they can be great pc monitors, if you choose correct brand/model, because some do infact have horrible input lag.
Also I will probably buy OLED that wasn't question, I'm pondering if I should buy a new pc desk and set OLED as primary display, or rearrange the furniture and bolt OLED to a wall and set it as secondary display.

 

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[Wraith]

Firstly, everyone just chill out and knock it off, there really is no need to get narky with each other it's a forum not a playground.

Secondly, to the OP if you suffer badly with your eyesight I'd say yes sit a little further away and a large screen would help you in this respect, I agree some TV's do make great screens and as you seem to know your stuff on this matter I'll leave the specifics to you. I sometimes use our 32" LG as a 3rd screen to watch films or the occational youtube vid so I can see where you are coming from it comes in handy for that stuff. Just protect your eyes and be sure you have a comfortable viewing angle.

 

[Warchild]

Please READ MY 1ST POST!!
No dude just no, I'm not sure what you mean by "Very rough edges" I'm guessing that you mean chunky pixels which is a problem if you are sitting very close to big ass screen, and input lag on some tvs it's a problem, on my viera E30 it's not, 30ms. (and yes I measured it, and calibrated my tv) And is even better on OLEDs. https://youtu.be/3U523QgOFBc?t=2m42s
Also I don't think your sony tv was set up correctly: 1080i instead of 1080p, or incorrect color format (should be ycbcr444), or simply wrong sharpness settings (on E30 it must be set at 0 instead of default 5)

Not to be rude, but I had the Viera E30 and it was downright crap for usage as a monitor. I have no idea why you jumped all over NBD. Ghosting was bad, input lag was bad and even the colour was poor. And no 0 was not a better setting for sharpness in fact it is too sharp. I have no idea how you can use it for gaming. So perhaps it looks fine for you because you don't see the fine details? Either way that screen was given a new home and good riddance.

Instead of dropping an obscene amount of money on a TV to use as a monitor, why not invest in a high quality monitor which is designed to be just that.. a PC monitor. There are some fantastic 32" or WQHD screens, with great g2g timers, refresh rates and large real estate to view what ever it is you want to use it for.

For me seeing people buy large oversized TVs and placing them on a desk as a monitor is like having someone buy an intel X99 setup to use just for facebook. You probably have the ideal screen size already. I would say 32/34" is optimal size.

So in answer to your question. Yes I have experience using them as monitors as no it was not a good one. For movies its fine (as a second screen) For gaming, its horrible. Even my latest Samsung 55inch (KU6515 if you want to look it up) is very poor for gaming. If you are mostly using it for movies, and net/documents then its fine, (as a second screen) and buy some 27inch monitor for main screen/gaming.

 

[WYP]

Please guys, no need to be getting all argumentative over this, we all know that some people do benefit from having a large screen (Ever see Level1Tech's 4K 40-inches monitor reviews?)

The main problems with TVs are that they are not designed as monitors and some models will not support a 4:4:4 chroma, which is not great for PCs. There is also input latency to consider, as TVs will use a lot of post-processing and "Game Modes" can only go so far to address this.

Below is an article on Chroma Sub-sampling for those that are unaware.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling

For TVs, RTINGS are probably the best reviewer (that I have found), as they look deep into colour accuracy, display latency at all resolutions and into Chroma sub-sampling.

Display latency will have a huge impact on desktop and gaming use, where quick responses are preferable. This will be a very important factor when selecting a TV as a monitor, as will your GPU's support for HDMI 2.0 for 4K 60Hz.

TVs are not ideal for use as PC displays, but they are certainly usable.

 

[looz]

For work stuff in a pinch? Sure. But it probably won't be ideal. 4K is quite nice for some work tasks, though, and beyond 42" I don't see why you would use 1080p. Or Windows 7 in 2017 for that matter, but it's a different discussion altogether...

But if you'll go 60+ inches it sounds a bit awkward, at that point I'd set up wireless mouse and keyboard on a living room table and work from sofa.

Yeah the input latency is dreadful but your use case isn't gaming so it's just an inconvenience. Same goes for picture quality, though with many TVs you can set it up so that they won't process the image too much. But that's down to individual models so do your research.

It's hard to say without knowing more about how your room is set up, though. I like having my TVs as secondary outputs so I don't have to live with compromises.

 

[AlienALX]

Firstly, everyone just chill out and knock it off, there really is no need to get narky with each other it's a forum not a playground.

No, no it totally is a playground :yelrotflmao:

 

[SebastianAltena]

Not to be rude, but I had the Viera E30 and it was downright crap for usage as a monitor. I have no idea why you jumped all over NBD. Ghosting was bad, input lag was bad and even the colour was poor. And no 0 was not a better setting for sharpness in fact it is too sharp. I have no idea how you can use it for gaming. So perhaps it looks fine for you because you don't see the fine details? Either way that screen was given a new home and good riddance.

Instead of dropping an obscene amount of money on a TV to use as a monitor, why not invest in a high quality monitor which is designed to be just that.. a PC monitor. There are some fantastic 32" or WQHD screens, with great g2g timers, refresh rates and large real estate to view what ever it is you want to use it for.

For me seeing people buy large oversized TVs and placing them on a desk as a monitor is like having someone buy an intel X99 setup to use just for facebook. You probably have the ideal screen size already. I would say 32/34" is optimal size.

So in answer to your question. Yes I have experience using them as monitors as no it was not a good one. For movies its fine (as a second screen) For gaming, its horrible. Even my latest Samsung 55inch (KU6515 if you want to look it up) is very poor for gaming. If you are mostly using it for movies, and net/documents then its fine, (as a second screen) and buy some 27inch monitor for main screen/gaming.

Ok, yes I agree that E30 is crap out of the box, but after turning off all img. processing and switching to true cinema mode (not gaming for some reason) lag drops from 55ms to 30ms, and ghosting gets better as well, color is bad out of the box as well and requires calibration (way too much blue), but after that I managed to get 97% of accuracy in ycbcr444 colour space which is about 96 in sRGB I'll attach my measurements, also on my tv there is pixel bleeding if sharpness isn't set to 0. Keep in mind that every screen is different even 2 screen of same make/model will require slightly different settings to produce accurate picture that's why use colorimeters, instead of copying settings from forums.

I will consider your suggestion about monitors but when I was shopping for one I could not find good 32" monitor that wasn't ultra wide which wont work for me because I'm half blind on one eye and see around 85% on the other.

 

[SebastianAltena]

Thank you everyone for your input, I will probably end up mounting oled to a wall.

 

[AlienALX]

It seems that every time some one offers you advice and their opinion you just answer back arguing with them that they have it wrong. :headscratch:

FWIW (though you will probably berate me for it any way) I use a 65" TV and I have had PCs plugged into it. Desktop itself was horrible, but gaming seemed perfectly reasonable.

Seriously though, if you really do know better than any one else then just get on with it.

 

[SebastianAltena]

FWIW (though you will probably berate me for it any way) I use a 65" TV and I have had PCs plugged into it. Desktop itself was horrible, but gaming seemed perfectly reasonable.

Actually that is exactly what I wanted to know, thanks.

 

[Warchild]

Ok, yes I agree that E30 is crap out of the box, but after turning off all img. processing and switching to true cinema mode (not gaming for some reason) lag drops from 55ms to 30ms, and ghosting gets better as well, color is bad out of the box as well and requires calibration (way too much blue), but after that I managed to get 97% of accuracy in ycbcr444 colour space which is about 96 in sRGB I'll attach my measurements, also on my tv there is pixel bleeding if sharpness isn't set to 0. Keep in mind that every screen is different even 2 screen of same make/model will require slightly different settings to produce accurate picture that's why use colorimeters, instead of copying settings from forums.

I will consider your suggestion about monitors but when I was shopping for one I could not find good 32" monitor that wasn't ultra wide which wont work for me because I'm half blind on one eye and see around 85% on the other.

I would suggest to check our WYP link above on rtings. It is quite a reputable site and can help you decide. But as I said before invest in a dedicated monitor. I can in no way understand the difficulties you are going through with your blindness and im sorry you struggle in this way. I think DELL do some 32inch monitors still but are crazily expensive.

What about 27" screens? Perhaps they could be adequate enough. If that isnt satisfactory then I suppose a TV is your other option. I just don't rate it for gaming at all. I suppose if comes down to your game preference but fast paced ones will suffer on a TV i think. Movies/browsing/streaming will be fine.

 

[SebastianAltena]

I would suggest to check our WYP link above on rtings. It is quite a reputable site and can help you decide. But as I said before invest in a dedicated monitor. I can in no way understand the difficulties you are going through with your blindness and im sorry you struggle in this way. I think DELL do some 32inch monitors still but are crazily expensive.

What about 27" screens? Perhaps they could be adequate enough. If that isnt satisfactory then I suppose a TV is your other option. I just don't rate it for gaming at all. I suppose if comes down to your game preference but fast paced ones will suffer on a TV i think. Movies/browsing/streaming will be fine.

27" screens are fine, even 24" 1080p works for me, but I prefer to game and watch movies on larger screens, from further away, and at the time I didn't have enough cash for multiple screens, so I picked up the best 32" tv I could find, it's a compromise but it works.
My "blindness" isn't that big of a deal to me, I have driver licence and can drive car just fine, so can't be that bad I guess, cover one of your eyes, that's basically how I see.