Update on "bigadv-16", the new bigadv rollout

riotcity76

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I know there's only a couple here who this might affect (including myself) but I thought I'd post the info anyway:

http://folding.typepad.com/news/2012/02/update-on-bigadv-16-the-new-bigadv-rollout.html

As we've mentioned earlier, we have been preparing changes to the bigadv system –– both an increase in the number of cores required (and a shortening of deadlines to match) and the release of some new bigadv projects. The motivation for the core changes is as follows:

Bigadv is intentionally intended for the most powerful machines, which makes it naturally a moving target. Our goal with bigadv is to utilize the most powerful segment of (CPU-based) machines in the FAH project to work on projects that are particularly large (memory utilization, upload/download requirement) and require a large amount of computation. We are all fortunate in that processors get faster over time, so the highest-performing tier of donor machines also gets faster over time. We have a lot of exciting science being enabled by FAH donors, and it takes place at all levels of computational requirement and performance sensitivity. So it wouldn't help the project to have 50% of machines running bigadv. But it also wouldn't be a good match to have some of the older and/or bandwidth-limited machines running these most performance-sensitive projects.

As previously announced, our plan is to shorten the deadlines of the BA projects. As a result, assignments will have a 16 core minimum. We've been developing the new projects for the new "bigadv-16". This development has taken a bit longer than we expected, but we are now completing internal testing and reading beta projects for bigadv-16. We are bringing a new server online for bigadv-16. It will start by offering a new class of bigadv projects, but we will soon add in a number of projects on the same server that are more similar to bigadv projects donors have already seen. We want to make these work units available for testing, but at the same time we are still examining the points yield of these bigadv projects. So the points valuation remains a work in progress; we may alter points, bonuses, and/or deadlines in the process of testing.

Please expect a beta announcement soon for testing these new bigadv-16 work units. Then, after the new bigadv-16 projects stabilize, we will bring the bigadv-12 projects into line (points, deadlines) with the bigadv-16 projects and convert all projects to bigadv-16. We are not sure of the timescale for this yet, as we'd like to test the new projects in a thorough manner. We will endeavor to be as transparent as we can regarding upcoming changes in the bigadv program. Bigadv-8 projects will likely be phased out (and indeed are mostly not being assigned at this time).

As a side note, we recognize that the number of cores is a somewhat crude measure for system performance. Long-term, we have some ideas on how we'd like to improve this and use better metrics. But in the near term, we are using this admittedly imperfect metric.

Thank you for folding and for your support of the bigadv program and FAH more generally.

Sounds like they're starting to give out the core 16 WUs. I think I have one as my SR2 just downloaded a P8101 unit, which I've never had before. HFM is reporting 2 days and 6 hours on my SR2 with 24 threads. I'll report back when I get a PPD estimate.
 
Looks like there are some major problems with the new bigadv units so far. I know it's in beta, but 40k ppd for my rig is...pathetic. 78% decrease in ppd!
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I'm actually better off running regular smp...I may switch after this unit.

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Looks like there are some major problems with the new bigadv units so far. I know it's in beta, but 40k ppd for my rig is...pathetic. 78% decrease in ppd!
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I'm actually better off running regular smp...I may switch after this unit.

I don't know. I keep seeing 9k to 14k on my 2600k @ 4.5ghz. Regular SMP is all over the place too.

They need to get this sorted.
 
I don't know. I keep seeing 9k to 14k on my 2600k @ 4.5ghz. Regular SMP is all over the place too.

They need to get this sorted.

I seem to remember getting ~75k ppd regular smp on this rig back when I first got started with testing. It might have been a little higher even, but I can't recall. I don't know if smp points have been nerfed as much as bigadv has the last year or so, but I'm pretty sure even with the reduction I could get way more than 40k ppd on this rig running smp. I guess we'll find out in a couple of days when this WU finishes
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I seem to remember getting ~75k ppd regular smp on this rig back when I first got started with testing. It might have been a little higher even, but I can't recall. I don't know if smp points have been nerfed as much as bigadv has the last year or so, but I'm pretty sure even with the reduction I could get way more than 40k ppd on this rig running smp. I guess we'll find out in a couple of days when this WU finishes
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I would hope you would get more but some of the numbers I'm seeing re quite worrying.

In the past week or so I have seen as high as 53k PPD and as low as 11k, all on the same 2600k at the same speed.

Just checked my i7 rig and its currently working on a good WU, cranking out 41.5k PPD while also running 2 GPU clients. More of those please!
 
Are you just using the standard BigBeta flag, Riot? (I see in the pic you are, but wanted to double check. lol )
 
Yes sir, those three flags are what I'm running. Though after reading around a bit, it seems that capable systems are receiving the P8101 unit even with just the bigadv flag.
 
I'm getting 90,000 PPD using regular SMP. Up from 40,000 on the messed up bigbeta units. Hopefully Stanford gets this fixed soon.

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Yeah, the hardocp folding guide includes a VNC guide for Ubuntu so that's how I've been accessing it. Using RealVNC though. Performance isn't great because of the crappy wireless connection to it, but it's fine for basic tweaks.
 
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