Thermaltake 'designs' at Computex 2015 look familiar

Right.... probably going to get some hate for this; oh well.

Chinese design practices... They 'copy' most things. It's just the way things are done; get over it. why reinvent the wheel...

Price point/target market... If we were planning a build on a tight budget and we wanted a fractal style case. But we had the possibility to save 10-50+ quid on the case. I don't know about you; but I would seriously consider it. That saving could make the world of difference to the build.

I think that the difference between the products are enough (based upon current pictures). Is a zebra, a horse; because it has four legs? (shitty analogy, please excuse)

It is a shame that Thermaltake are trying to follow in the footsteps of others. As they do have some good ideas/designs. I've recently had a Core V21. I was presently surprised by it. If they could refine and work on it some more, I think they could be onto a winner.

IMOH, chill the fuck out for a bit. Wait for more pictures, reviews, etc. Before hoping on board the hype train: Chooo chooo!.

Peace <3.
 
pretsell said:
Right.... probably going to get some hate for this; oh well.

Chinese design practices... They 'copy' most things. It's just the way things are done; get over it. why reinvent the wheel...

Price point/target market... If we were planning a build on a tight budget and we wanted a fractal style case. But we had the possibility to save 10-50+ quid on the case.
Peace <3.
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The Fractal is cheaper than the Tt version......


I cant see the CL clone being any cheaper tbh
 
First off- watch the language(the F bomb). You do not need to use it at all. To resort to bad language just moots your point entirely, besides the fact you already made a pretty bad excuse for TT.

pretsell said:
Right.... probably going to get some hate for this; oh well.
Chinese design practices... They 'copy' most things. It's just the way things are done; get over it. why reinvent the wheel...
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Why reinvent the wheel.. I'll be honest here.. what kind of dumb question is that? If no one reinvented the wheel where the hell would be right now? Think back couple thousand years. Then a few more. That's where we would be. Things are not done by just copying, you get over that notion. Just because they are "Chinese" does not give them any excuse to screw other people, who I might add to, are not in China. Then to add further, AMD isn't copying Intel. Intel isn't copying Samsung, Samsung isn't copying ARM. All of which create CPUs and are in very similar markets. Caselabs sure as hell isn't copying FD, FD sure as hell ain't copying TT. TT sure as hell is copying Caselabs and FD, and Swiftech, and Alphacool, etc who are in multiple markets.

Price point/target market... If we were planning a build on a tight budget and we wanted a fractal style case. But we had the possibility to save 10-50+ quid on the case. I don't know about you; but I would seriously consider it. That saving could make the world of difference to the build.
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Also should so some research before looking, well that nice way to say it, unsmart. The first product shown off as the R5 copy, is more expensive than the R5 itself. That's not saving money. So much for that difference right?


I think that the difference between the products are enough (based upon current pictures). Is a zebra, a horse; because it has four legs? (shitty analogy, please excuse)
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No that won't be excused. There's no excuse. Really the products are so different? Yet If i asked anyone on this forum to tell me which was a Caselabs case and a TT and they didn't know what was going on currently, they would end up guessing. That's no difference. That's identical. It's plain and clear. If you can't see that you are full of gunk.

It is a shame that Thermaltake are trying to follow in the footsteps of others. As they do have some good ideas/designs. I've recently had a Core V21. I was presently surprised by it. If they could refine and work on it some more, I think they could be onto a winner.
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Must never have had the pleasure of feeling something other than TT. I can tell the difference in quality pretty quickly.

IMOH, chill the fuck out for a bit. Wait for more pictures, reviews, etc. Before hoping on board the hype train: Chooo chooo!.Peace <3.
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We don't need to wait for anything. We already have the real deal. We know what it will be like at it's best. Now it's just a question of how shitty TT can manage to make it, as that's what they do quite well. That explains their design ripoffs. This isn't no hype train. Far from it as there is literally nothing being hyped about. People are accusing TT for something they clearly have done and the evidence so far has proven that. One product.. ok.. but it's not. It's literally an entire range of products that looks IDENTICAL apart from logo's.
 
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Good video Tom ,thanks!
Thermaltake WTF are they doing?
It should be stopped, and they should pay big money to companies for stealing they hard work!!!
Bunch of Fu**ers!
 
Could it be that thermaltake buy the cases and other stuff from the other companies and then alter them , like they like it. At the time of the first XASER case, they did this also( chieftech case) Thermaltake did some nice stuff with some cases and a lot of brands did copy thermaltake in those days, didn't hear any shouting when the other brands did this. Thermaltake was also the first to bring out the liquid-cooler for CPU, so every body should shout now at the other brands also by copy that, like thermalright and Scythe. In my eyes I don't see the point of this article. Everybody copy from everybody, Yeah even Corsair and other do that.
 
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Could it be that thermaltake buy the cases and other stuff from the other companies and then alter them , like they like it. At the time of the first XASER case, they did this also( chieftech case) Thermaltake did some nice stuff with some cases and a lot of brands did copy thermaltake in those days, didn't hear any shouting when the other brands did this. Thermaltake was also the first to bring out the liquid-cooler for CPU, so every body should shout now at the other brands also by copy that, like thermalright and Scythe. In my eyes I don't see the point of this article. Everybody copy from everybody, Yeah even Corsair and other do that.
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No. TT did not buy the rights from Caselabs nor FD. And TT don't make their own AIOs. You have Asetek and CoolIT who make them then sell them to people like TT/Corsair/Silverstone. That's not copying. That's them buying the rights and buying the products to sell them with their logo.
 
Did I say AIO, I said liquid cooling, this is the heatpipe design , is from Thermaltake . Also the latch system that you find at the back of the case when you can open the door by just pulling down the latch , this had thermaltake already on there cases before a other brand had this, a lot of brands did copy this, also the screw less pci clips for the pci slots, this also was copy by a lot of brands. Also if thermaltake did copy the caselab case 1 to 1, I really think that there already was law suite about it and we would already heard about it.
 
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First off- watch the language(the F bomb). You do not need to use it at all. To resort to bad language just moots your point entirely, besides the fact you already made a pretty bad excuse for TT.
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I have not read every single post in the thread, but those that I did. I felt were well aboard the hype train; thus I felt it justified.

NeverBackDown said:
Why reinvent the wheel.. I'll be honest here.. what kind of dumb question is that? If no one reinvented the wheel where the hell would be right now? Think back couple thousand years. Then a few more. That's where we would be. Things are not done by just copying, you get over that notion. Just because they are "Chinese" does not give them any excuse to screw other people, who I might add to, are not in China. Then to add further, AMD isn't copying Intel. Intel isn't copying Samsung, Samsung isn't copying ARM. All of which create CPUs and are in very similar markets. Caselabs sure as hell isn't copying FD, FD sure as hell ain't copying TT. TT sure as hell is copying Caselabs and FD, and Swiftech, and Alphacool, etc who are in multiple markets.
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come on, don't be a prat...
If you are going for a sleek/minimalist design there is not a lot that can change. If you think there is, you'd better fire up some CAD program and get cracking...

NeverBackDown said:
Also should do some research before looking, well that nice way to say it, unsmart. The first product shown off as the R5 copy, is more expensive than the R5 itself. That's not saving money. So much for that difference right?
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I had no time to do any in depth searching, all that I was finding at the time was the same info copy and pasted site to site (nothing regarding a true price).

But the price will drop eventually, just depends how much and how long till it until it does.

NeverBackDown said:
No that won't be excused. There's no excuse. Really the products are so different? Yet If i asked anyone on this forum to tell me which was a Caselabs case and a TT and they didn't know what was going on currently, they would end up guessing. That's no difference. That's identical. It's plain and clear. If you can't see that you are full of gunk.
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-.- Come on really... You can clearly see some differences and some similarities. What is even more clear to see is how pathetic your argument is. The same point can be made for any product in any market. If a person is unaware, they are unaware...

NeverBackDown said:
Must never have had the pleasure of feeling something other than TT. I can tell the difference in quality pretty quickly.
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The quality of the V21 for it's price range was more than adequate. Nor do I think it makes sense to list every single case that I have come into contact with. But the list is long enough, to have a decent idea of the possible quality in the current market.

NeverBackDown said:
We don't need to wait for anything. We already have the real deal. We know what it will be like at it's best. Now it's just a question of how shitty TT can manage to make it, as that's what they do quite well. That explains their design ripoffs. This isn't no hype train. Far from it as there is literally nothing being hyped about. People are accusing TT for something they clearly have done and the evidence so far has proven that. One product.. ok.. but it's not. It's literally an entire range of products that looks IDENTICAL apart from logo's.
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http://www.specsavers.co.uk/
Your welcome.
 
Well this is what happens when you are an owner of a 8 year old pc, you still think TT is a good company that makes quality products. There is a reason my TT case is named Armor, not sure what I would have to do to damage that case or the components inside but it looks like things have changed and not for the better.

I can't remember the last time I read that any TT product was recommended by the pc community and that left me wondering but a few post here on oc3d explained that to me and that left me kinda sad because I though of them as a rather solid manufacturer.

Their last few cases were maybe not so "great" in the quality/price department but I though they had some interesting ideas in their design, more on the inside then of the outside of the case (fully modular HDD and ODD bays with the option of installing HDD behind the MB tray).

Not sure what were they thinking, or if they were thinking at all, with this whole CaseLabs rip-off thing(really like the thermalgate idea ;)), and as it turns out many other "borrowed" designs but it made any good thing they had going for them irrelevant.

At the end all I can say is bad move TT, bad move.
 
Its really a shame for a company to take that kind of way of doing business. Was actually pretty excited about TT x9 case and maybe even buy it, since i really like the concept of horizontal motherboard position and i use full ATX board, but now i kinda have mixed feelings. Some part of me doesnt want to support that kind of company and that kind of attitude toward competition, even though i wont be able to afford Caselabs chassis any time soon. Not to mention that the price of x9 case in my country is almost 200euros with a cash discount so that kinda destroys the point of "cheap chinese copy". From my perspective, if for example they decided to copy Define R5, couldnt they at least change the looks of the exterior a bit. I dont know,put some grills somewhere or something, because now it looks like they dont even care about their products. Even if you dont make the best products on the market, at least you can stand behind them and call them your "products" and not your "copies/clones/".
 
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Pretty sad to see a brand like this just rip off other peoples work, they need to be totally boykot by all that are into the PC world.

What will Thermaltake be remembered by?? By being the brand that copies other products but cheaper?
 
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. Also if thermaltake did copy the caselab case 1 to 1, I really think that there already was law suite about it and we would already heard about it.

Its really recent news.

Stop trying to defend thermaltake.


I don't defend TT, even if I did, I don't see why you getting angry. But like I see and read it , everybody is now putting the finger on TT because of this, well then al should put the finger on Corsair,thermalright, scythe and other brands also. My last case from TT was a XASER 6, also had the armor, also had the hole Xaser line. Now a 800D-900D and yes here i see things that they copy from other brands also. It's true that after the XASER6 TT went down hill , they still have the Level one as high-end case, but became a budget brand in my eyes. They copy some stuff and everybody is shouting and screaming like it's the end of the world. Why, in my eyes, if a other brand copy something, it means that the original brand has a good product. People who want to buy a copied case, will always take a look at original and most of them will buy the original and not the copied one, even if the copied one is a little cheaper. With TT it's even more expensive. I would like to see how people would react if Caselabs or a other brand did this. Close my case.
 
RE the Fractal. What about the Nanoxia deep silence?

And the irony? I've actually never seen any one build a Nanoxia.
 
It's unfortunate that they've gone this route, there was a time, long in the past now, when I was quite fond of ThermalTake, but they've just gotten progressively worse. Unfortunately, the Chinese gov't allows it companies to ignore international copyright, patent, and trademark agreements so any lawsuits are essentially guaranteed to fail. The only way to really stop this sort of thing is with the retailers. Someone out there needs to make a website where people can pledge not to purchase computer components from any retailer that sells TT products... and that would only work if people who made that sort of promise stuck with it, which in reality most people will go to their favorite retailer once the "awesome thing" comes out regardless of whether or not they sell TT stuff. So, sadly, the only thing that can really be done about it is for people to just not buy TT products, if it hurts their sales enough they might be forced to rethink their strategy...

Also, TT is not the only company that does this sort of thing.
 
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RE the Fractal. What about the Nanoxia deep silence?

And the irony? I've actually never seen any one build a Nanoxia.
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I've just had a look at the Nanoxia Deep Silence 1 and while there are resemblances, which is unavoidable for silent cases, there are plenty differences, some even in favour of the Nanoxia.

- Split front door for access to fans or ODD bays
- Different intake design (not exact copy like TT did it)
- Different (arguably nicer) fan mounts in the front
- Top mounted radiator support from the start when the R4 didn't really have this with most motherboards.
- Switch for the top cover to be open or closed (imo a better idea than the moduvent thing)
- Front I/O panel

So yes, it's got a brushed door at the front, but you can tell the guys at Nanoxia at least sat down, took the concept of silent cases and asked themselves how they could improve on it.

Not sit down, measure everything, and asks themselves how they can make it exactly the same but cheaper (and with the R5 ripoff they even failed at making it cheaper) :p




pretsell said:
http://www.specsavers.co.uk/
Your welcome.
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http://www.wikihow.com/Use-You're-and-Your
You're welcome.

Now watch it, no need to get hostile with each other.
 
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