There is Probably No God

[rrjwilson]

Ok as a self confessed geek (of many things), a honoured graduate in biomedical sciences, with partial masters degree, many friends with PhDs and in research. I have a slightly different view.

Any of you disprove God's existence?

There is infact a prize set out by some whack job in Albania for doing this. He has stumped up 10x the gross national product for anyone who can.

I have had many discussions with Reverends, physics lecturers, even quantum physicists about "God(s)" and they all end the same way. No conclusion. I can tell you lots, about how the human race came to be, why certain country's ethnic populations are as such, briefly give reason to the fried egg shape of the galaxy but I cannot say for an absolute fact that a higher being did or did not create everything or just some things that appear around us.

My father while I was young was not sleeping and managed to pass out while getting a take away. He hit his head on the corner of the seat on the way down. No was out for a good few minutes as the ambulance was there by the time he opened his eyes. The thing is that while unconscious he was going down the "mythical" white light once he reached the end he was greeted be a large vague silhoutte who simply said "its not your time". He flashed backwards gown the light and woke up.

Was this St Peter? Was this God? Was it a hallucination? Was it a spirit on a different plain of existence helping him to find his path?

I don't know, you don't know and he certainly doesn't know but he is not scared of death at all because HE knows he will go when it is time and not until.

I am a great skeptic to everything and go to great measure to prove my point in most cases (but sometimes people are too ignorant or just too dumb).

Rods or so called ET insects that dart across videos and are apparently 7ft and travelling 400mph. For many years I told my father and mother they were wrong and Rods were just like "orbs" on MostHaunted crap near the camera out of focus. Then after a documenary on Rods we had an Amazon documentary where the first thing was a night boat trip with loads of Mosquitoes. Oh look Rods.

Ghosts can they be real? Souls of our loved ones staying to see us. Im not much of a believer that our loved ones stay and watch us as that would be boring. Problem is I have seen them so I know they are real but can't explain a single thing.

Religion if you study long enough can actually be found to have caused all wars according to a Cambridge historian years ago so they can't be that great.

I am agnostic in my beliefs as I can't explain any of it but its is clearly there.

I think the religious writings are from one and the same source that we haven't discovered yet as they all have such similar things in them (yes i have read many of them - english translation only though). I think they are like a cookbook, not instructions but guidelines for us to put our own will upon to put faith in each other.

 

[Pseudonym]

^ Sweet post ^

That's the trouble with debating existence of an all powerful god, there is no conclusion.

I did philosophy for a couple of years and most of the units involved God in one way or another. You can logically disprove God with the sort of question like "Could God create a rock so big that he couldn’t lift it?" The rebuttal is that he works in mysterious ways and you can't understand the depth of his being.

I wonder why this creator would design us in such a way that biology and evolution makes sense. If you’ve ever seen either a phylogenic tree or a map of even one biological system, then you might see what I’m talking about. It all works. It makes sense. Surely it would have been easier for God to say “Let there be humans” and poof there we are, no complex internal systems, just outer shells that work and think and reproduce.

I'm a lapsed agnostic; I've gone back to being an atheist. It was the uncertainty that was getting to me. I would truly love to believe, but I just don't have the faith.

Whilst religion as a big organisation is usually a bad thing, with lots of hate and such, small religious communities can be great. My cousin has just been through a really bad patch and her group have helped her no end.

Back to uncertainty, religious texts **** me off. Actually, it's the people who read what they want to read in each text that ****es me off. A lot of the passages are pretty ambiguous, they can - and have - be(en) read in a thousand different ways. There is no right or wrong, just uncertainty. Islam is pretty bad for this. Whilst the text itself has not been changed in quite a while (something they like to boast about), the meaning and subsequent preaching can be changed to fit any setting you like.

The last thing I'm going to write about one that everybody does: just following the bits that you want to. Even atheists do this; I myself have prayed to live just a bit longer when things have got a bit sketchy. Earlier today, I nearly got squished by a crafty side wind and a huge truck. As you can guess, I didn’t die, but "OH GOD, I DON'T WANT TO DIE" ran through my mind rather quickly.

I read a free eBook last week "Straight into gay America" (Download link - it's a .PDF so might take a minute to load) and some of the questions he asks relate to this very problem. It's about a pastor who rides through the gayest part of America collecting stories and opinions. One of the things he asks a lot of the people who aren't fond of gays is that the bible only has a few passages about the abomination of homosexuality and right next to them are other abominations that nobody cares about. (You shouldn't cut your hair or beard, and you should only eat certain meats on such and such a day)

I always think that religion is the tool used to explain everything we don't know. It is also used as a way for people to share their bigoted views, not just against homosexuality, but other religions, other races, woman, camels, etc etc.

There are lots of things we don’t know, but I think that’s proof of our own ignorance rather than proof of a higher being.

Wow, this is quite the post. I’ll stop now.

 

[rrjwilson]

I'm ill but **** it I like this xD

Logically surely you can only prove God's existence as everything he could/would/should/may have done he could/would/should/may have done as he/she IS God and therefore knows the higher purpose to a seagull pooing in your softtop while on the M4 (*******s).

One friend a devoit Catholic (yes, you know the ones that be traced to almost all the wars since "Jesus'" time - again that Cambridge mentalist historian) is so convinced of the higher God that even me with MANY people explaining certain physics concepts (on whiteboards because he is a school caretaker) that he can see passed them and return the concept to there being light generation in some way. He is not the smartest man but with his faith and the "good" book (Whether it is good can be debated somewhere else) means he can find his faith in even the most strange places.

I personally love the nutritionist part of the bible because its completely mental however, if taken as a schedule is actually pretty good for a balanced diet 2000 years ago

I don't thing we have proof of our own ignorance quite yet as we aren't that bright yet even if you take the top 2% only (MENSA peeps). I think we suffer an arrogance as our so called knowledge is just that and only that, so fields are expanding now with new technology available but most are not. It is our arrogance as a race to say we know that let's move on. Being BioMed I know lots in the biology field but I also know that we know very little. Ask any real lecturer how the electron transport chain actually functions and they will have to deny knowledge because we simply don't know (I was offered a PhD to be part of a team to attempt this - unsuccessfully so far too :S). THis is something taught even in high schools and we actually don't understand the process we know what happens because of cellular marking and halting cellular activity to discover placement but not the why.

I find myself giving the one upstairs a wink every so often. In times of worry everyone needs that little bit of faith to help them whether it be a scare or just depression. The point is not the focus of that faith but the faith itself, a hope for tomorrow, a hope that maybe just maybe everything will be a little nicer.

Catholic church is the one to watch for scientific discoveries. Every so often they will give a formal memo to the world that a really old scientific fact is ok by them because it supports something or other. Evolution = intelligent design (clearly no catholic biologists).

Even if we taken every last bit of science we have and create the universe as science says there is still room for God. The last vein of plausible existence would be at the big bang he/she went "let there be an infintesimal spek of matter to high in energy for its own shape to be controlled" and BAM the big bang. Problem I have had with that for MANY years is that basic science teaches us that energy cannot be created or destroyed only transferred to another energy state or matter (after all energy and matter are the same thing E=mc2). So if you cannot destroy it then why is there a beginning? and why in several billion billion years will there be an end?

The big bang is pushing our galaxys, solar systems, planets and satelittes out from the center. Yet our galaxy is fried egg shape this is because of the giant balck hole formed early on that is pulling the galaxy back together slowly. There are two fates of galaxys (currently): 1. Galaxy is eaten by its own black hole so that only a black is left or 2. Two galaxys collided and the black holes envelope one another (its actually been shown the strongest will envelope the other but sod it). This means that given enough time everything will eventually be in a black hole (the ones at the center of galaxies are called super massive so no idea what this one would be called). This is then an end a singularity of infitesimal size with far too much energy, sound familiar? I think the universe is not the first one I don't believe the big bang was the beginning. Thinking in those terms gives you an idea of where I'm going with this. If there is such infintesimal energy going in and out over such time (human invention) then where was the beginning? God?

About 5 months ago I read in New Scientist that two rogue physicists were working on a theory called the Big Bounce. It is exactly what I've said for years only with very technical math xD They want to try to prove that in the signature of the big bang there is other signatures of an older big bang. Sounds cool to me.

I think the world will be debating this for a long time but one thing I do know is religion will be our downfall unless we start having faith rather than preaching.