Greenback
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Have kids I haven't had a holiday in 10 years nearly 11
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Dicehunter
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NeverBackDown
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You're impossible dude. You constantly complain about US private healthcare as if your just equally unequipped hospitals could do any better.
Literally let it go. You never been to one and never will. This COVID-19 virus is being overblown. 99% of the population is fine.
No cure or anything. Stupid people in the world buying all the medical equipment aren't helping people who actually need it. No hospital is prepared.
And he's definitely not patient zero and making that claim is just to get people to panic. Only a moron would claim that title as if it's a good thing. If he was patient zero why is he totally fine and just twiddling his thumbs on Twitter.
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I'm not talking about hospitals here, I'm talking about the overall governmental approach needed to even begin tackling the virus, no kind of coherent and comprehensive testing program can begin when you're charging people thousands of dollars per test and artificially restricting the access/supply for profit.
Here in the UK (And I assume this is typical of the response of most western/developed national health care systems, particularly across Europe, since it's the only real way to monitor the virus) anyone with symptoms of flu is tested for coronavirus in any affected regions, while there's also free community testing services including drive-through tests, and this is all besides the creation of "Coronavirus diverting units" at most NHS primary care locations and additional "Priority Assessment Services" set up nationally. All of this is accessible by a constant NHS111 hotline people can call for instant professional guidance and forwarding to necessary services. https://www.england.nhs.uk/ourwork/eprr/coronavirus/
This kind of mass-testing seems to be fundamental to tackling the virus and avoiding another Italy situation, if the virus is circulating for long enough to start mutating then the vaccine situation could complicate significantly.
Essentially my point is, "Healthcare as a commodity" breaks down when you risk a national disaster without the widespread free distribution of medical care necessary to respond certain types of national threat, and usually the public panic that can set in from an inadequate response can be worse than the threat itself. While of course the long term economic cost of an outbreak could quickly far outweigh the cost of effective prevention/early response.
Edit: Can't say they're not trying everything I guess
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NeverBackDown
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You say all these assuming others aren't doing it. Just sounds like nationalism and England is #1 and everyone else sucks because we have a hotline.
Or you could just follow the CDC like most people are on twitter to know that the US isn't just doing nothing. I just fail to see why you always need to proclaim that England is doing everything better, regardless of the foreign country in question. Everyone in the health industry is working. Why try to make it a competition?
Or you could just follow the CDC like most people are on twitter to know that the US isn't just doing nothing. I just fail to see why you always need to proclaim that England is doing everything better, regardless of the foreign country in question. Everyone in the health industry is working. Why try to make it a competition?
I don't think you're actually reading my messages if you think I'm an English nationalist lol, I'm Maltese anyway tho. The English NHS is critically underfunded and has many flaws, but this has nothing to do with nationality or any specific national system.
I feel I pretty comprehensively explained above why I think a nationalised, free at the point of use system with full integration at every level is significantly more effective at tackling a viral outbreak or most other kinds of national medical emergency. I even pre-empted my post by pointing out that many other nationalised systems did many of the same things. But I cannot speak for those in detail as I've not used any since the outbreak.
The issue coming from reports out of the US seems to relate to the inadequacy of the CDC's equivalent line to allocate and determine testing cases, all I'm saying is I think in this particular case things need to swing the other way with a virus like this, where it can often spread symptom-less but prove fatal to certain individuals testing should be encouraged, if only to track its spread and avoid excessive public panic.
It is worth pointing out purely for the economic argument though, the US government spends roughly 3 times more per person on healthcare than the UK government, so it's not like the private system is even remotely in the same ballpark of cost efficiency, in practice privatisation seems to be an incredibly expensive way to go about things(Like how we in the UK spend more on subsidies for private rail companies than we used to spend running British Rail).
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NeverBackDown
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Yet you aren't reading mine. I read yours. You'd rather just not take blame and point your finger instead and say " I preemptively answered and addressed all your questions so therefore I win".
I get it. You like England more and it's better. Because reasons like a hotline and testing since the government is so good at it. If you'd like to continue just DM me. No sense in blowing this thread
I get it. You like England more and it's better. Because reasons like a hotline and testing since the government is so good at it. If you'd like to continue just DM me. No sense in blowing this thread
That's not my point at all though, I'm making an argument from both a human(survival/happiness) and an economic perspective for nationalised systems with coherent planning that are free at the point of use, I don't care where they are I just use some as examples. But they do exist for healthcare in more or less every developed nation on the globe (except one) so it's not like it's some kind of unique British thing, Britain has many many examples of inefficient overuse of privatisation in the public service space too.
If you feel I've personalised this discussion in any way then that wasn't my intention, I'm essentially just discussing mechanisms of long term governmental/economic planning, it's mostly coincidental that the statistically most economically efficient healthcare system operating currently is the one I have my most recent personal experience with.
If you feel I've personalised this discussion in any way then that wasn't my intention, I'm essentially just discussing mechanisms of long term governmental/economic planning, it's mostly coincidental that the statistically most economically efficient healthcare system operating currently is the one I have my most recent personal experience with.
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Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Sad but true.
Not forgetting to mention it's slowly being sold off to private companies, The ENT department at my local hospital was shut down and reopened 2 weeks later as a private practise, Now an appointment costs a minimum of £1,500, It's criminal.
I have a few cousins who are Nurses, They got fired during the Tories cost cutting spree when they got rid of 40,000 NHS workers throughout the UK, To add salt to the wound many former NHS employees have actively been denied re-employment within the NHS, Why ? The government is getting ready to hive it off to various people in the private sector so they can make more money for their old school friends.
Public health is going to go back to the Victorian days where people died in their beds because they couldn't afford a doctor.
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Greenback
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Playing my oculus Quest and never realized that gaming was meant to make you feel like you've been to a gym, my 52 year old body isn't use to exercise.
My only consideration is whether to buy games for the quest or steam rift s considering if I buy for the quest they will forever be tied to that where as steam and rift games are on the pc so any VR system will be able to play them
My only consideration is whether to buy games for the quest or steam rift s considering if I buy for the quest they will forever be tied to that where as steam and rift games are on the pc so any VR system will be able to play them
Dicehunter
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Greenback
Active member
Atm it will be the Quest, but games for that are APK which means they'll only work on the quest, if once the battery stops charging the quest will be a wired I'll still be able to use it, but if I upgrade at some point those games are lost where as pcvr games will work on any HMD
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Personally I'd go with the long term strategy then instead of locking yourself into the Quest
Personally I'd go with the long term strategy then instead of locking yourself into the Quest
Same here, doesn't make any sense to lock into anything with how young VR is. It's sure to change a lot in the next few years.
Greenback
Active member
Personally I'd go with the long term strategy then instead of locking yourself into the Quest
I think my plan is to look on Oculus if it's crossplay then get the game there, otherwise just see where it's cheapest
Now I looked into it, it's amazing what stuff is available if you have space and money, I found this site interesting For exercise ideas, VZfit do a exercise bike attachment and then there's the haptic suits and gloves
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Been beyond sick since noon of Tuesday. Come online first time Friday night and the news section was beyond blowing up. Damn I missed a lot of stuff in 3 days. Still sick but at least I can get somewhat excited reading all the AMD stuff.
WYP
News Guru
Sorry to hear that you have been unwell. I hope that you are back to 100% soon.
