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I'm sorry but the cpu is doing what it was designed to do, it's running at certain speed and just because it's capable of more with sufficient hardware attached to it, doesn't mean it should run at that regardless of what hardware is attached.

Don't get me wrong Intel are not angel's in the slightest, I wouldn't have had to void my warranty on my 7700K if they had done there jobs properly.


This is the problem, plain and simple people look for something to complain about, they find something regardless of whether it's a legit complaint or not and just complain hoping people will agree with them.

This guy is trying to make a storm where there shouldn't be, it's not Intel's fault that "Medion" decided to use an insufficient cooler and possibly motherboard and power supply in the pc that they sell.

Based of what he said, which to me sound's like system builders choose what speed's the CPU's will turbo to, based of the cooling and power capability of the hardware, how is it Intel's fault that the CPU does not boost to a figure that they do not state because the system builder decided that it should only go to speed "X"?

If I'm wrong then fine I'm wrong, but honestly I don't believe I am.

Intel should not be blamed for a CPU not hitting certain speed's that they don't advertise for a CPU, because a system builder has chosen to put insufficient hardware with the CPU to allow the full speed of the CPU to be used.

The same goes for AMD, they should not be blamed for someone building and selling a pc with poor cooling, power and slower ram than the CPU need's in order to perform to 100% of it's capabilities.

That is the case here, Medion are selling a pc that does not have what the CPU need's to perform at it's best, that is not Intel's fault that is Medion's fault.

As for him being a fanboy in my opinion he is, he is calling out Intel for something that is out of there hand's, where is his video about someone doing the same thing with a AMD CPU?

Where is his video about AMD CPU's thermal throttling?

Where is his video about Ryzen/threadripper not performing to it's full potential with slower ram?

Where is the video about the Ram issues that AMD had when Ryzen launched?

There isn't a video from him about any of those thing's, but if it was Intel you can guarantee 100% there would be a video about it.

I am sorry but to me he is 100% an AMD fanboy, and I probably come across as an Intel fanboy right now but I use what will give me the best performance for what I do with the least amount of issues, and currently that is Intel/nVidia.

I would love to use AMD but currently I get the performance I am looking for with no issues from Intel/nVidia, compared to AMD where I would need to ensure my ram is compatible with the CPU, the CPU socket was made by a certain company and that my cooler is compatible because AMD decided to make the CPU bigger than it needs to be.
 
Damien c said:
I'm sorry but the cpu is doing what it was designed to do, it's running at certain speed and just because it's capable of more with sufficient hardware attached to it, doesn't mean it should run at that regardless of what hardware is attached.

Don't get me wrong Intel are not angel's in the slightest, I wouldn't have had to void my warranty on my 7700K if they had done there jobs properly.


This is the problem, plain and simple people look for something to complain about, they find something regardless of whether it's a legit complaint or not and just complain hoping people will agree with them.

This guy is trying to make a storm where there shouldn't be, it's not Intel's fault that "Medion" decided to use an insufficient cooler and possibly motherboard and power supply in the pc that they sell.

Based of what he said, which to me sound's like system builders choose what speed's the CPU's will turbo to, based of the cooling and power capability of the hardware, how is it Intel's fault that the CPU does not boost to a figure that they do not state because the system builder decided that it should only go to speed "X"?

If I'm wrong then fine I'm wrong, but honestly I don't believe I am.

Intel should not be blamed for a CPU not hitting certain speed's that they don't advertise for a CPU, because a system builder has chosen to put insufficient hardware with the CPU to allow the full speed of the CPU to be used.

The same goes for AMD, they should not be blamed for someone building and selling a pc with poor cooling, power and slower ram than the CPU need's in order to perform to 100% of it's capabilities.

That is the case here, Medion are selling a pc that does not have what the CPU need's to perform at it's best, that is not Intel's fault that is Medion's fault.

As for him being a fanboy in my opinion he is, he is calling out Intel for something that is out of there hand's, where is his video about someone doing the same thing with a AMD CPU?

Where is his video about AMD CPU's thermal throttling?

Where is his video about Ryzen/threadripper not performing to it's full potential with slower ram?

Where is the video about the Ram issues that AMD had when Ryzen launched?

There isn't a video from him about any of those thing's, but if it was Intel you can guarantee 100% there would be a video about it.

I am sorry but to me he is 100% an AMD fanboy, and I probably come across as an Intel fanboy right now but I use what will give me the best performance for what I do with the least amount of issues, and currently that is Intel/nVidia.

I would love to use AMD but currently I get the performance I am looking for with no issues from Intel/nVidia, compared to AMD where I would need to ensure my ram is compatible with the CPU, the CPU socket was made by a certain company and that my cooler is compatible because AMD decided to make the CPU bigger than it needs to be.
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If that is how the CPU is designed then that is fine. That is not what I, or many others, have an issue with. It's the fact that none of this information has been forthcoming.

With Ryzen we knew everything about it within a matter of days. From what ram to and to not use (A QVL is always handy there) and we knew what clocks it could do and we knew that using faster RAM was both a bonus and a caveat. Especially as RAM is so expensive these days.

How long has the 8700 been out now? were you aware of this? has any one pointed it out to you? read any reviews with it in?

Once again dude, stop dragging AMD into a facking problem that has nothing to do with them. I am getting sick of people doing that. Are you really that daft? this has nothing to do with them ! it just makes you look like some one who is incapable of differentiating between two completely different things.

In the past, no ifs or buts, a LOCKED Intel CPU would run at a given speed NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT OR WHERE IT RESIDED. This is a new thing.

And it hasn't been pointed out. End of. It has nothing to do with AMD !

I suggest that you watch more of his videos. Arm yourself with good information. How about Poor Vega? for example?

You can discredit and throw mud at the bloke as much as you like, but these facts come directly from a spec sheet that has been deliberately done to confuse any one who doesn't know exactly how it all works.
 
AlienALX said:
If that is how the CPU is designed then that is fine. That is not what I, or many others, have an issue with. It's the fact that none of this information has been forthcoming.




With Ryzen we knew everything about it within a matter of days. From what ram to and to not use (A QVL is always handy there) and we knew what clocks it could do and we knew that using faster RAM was both a bonus and a caveat. Especially as RAM is so expensive these days.

How long has the 8700 been out now? were you aware of this? has any one pointed it out to you? read any reviews with it in?

Once again dude, stop dragging AMD into a facking problem that has nothing to do with them. I am getting sick of people doing that. Are you really that daft? this has nothing to do with them ! it just makes you look like some one who is incapable of differentiating between two completely different things.

In the past, no ifs or buts, a LOCKED Intel CPU would run at a given speed NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT OR WHERE IT RESIDED. This is a new thing.

And it hasn't been pointed out. End of. It has nothing to do with AMD !

I suggest that you watch more of his videos. Arm yourself with good information. How about Poor Vega? for example?

You can discredit and throw mud at the bloke as much as you like, but these facts come directly from a spec sheet that has been deliberately done to confuse any one who doesn't know exactly how it all works.
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The information has not been forthcoming because Intel don't "HAVE" to provide it, it's that simple, they have provided the "Base" speed and what 1 core will boost to.

Should they also have to provide a list of what the CPU's will boost to, if you have Power Supply "X" combined with Cooler "X", with Thermal Paste "X" and Ambient Temp "X" with Motherboard "X" or a combination ranging from "A to Z"?

The reason I say that is because that is what is going to determine what it can boost to, not what Intel/AMD put in the CPU or how they make it.


I'm sorry you tell me where AMD state the same things on the product page for the 1800X or any of the Ryzen or Threadripper CPU's

http://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-1800x

http://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x

Where is the 2 core boost speed, 3,4,5,6,7,8?

Where is the information about XFR on that page, because I couldn't see it??

Who told us the information about the AMD CPU's and ram? I certaintly didn't hear about it from AMD prior to launch or after launch, I didn't hear from AMD about what the cores will boost to prior to launch or that they will have a temp offset in them to ensure that they don't get to hot prior to launch, I only heard about this stuff after launch from "Reviewers".


The reason I am bringing AMD in to it, is because I am sick and tired of hearing about how wonderful AMD are compared to Intel when they either do the same stuff or have the same problems and nothing get's said about it, because it's only ever "BIG BAD" Intel that do thing's that people should be annoyed about.

I mean why should I have to spend another £50 to £100 on ram to get say 3200Mhz over 2400Mhz in order to have a CPU perform better with 3200Mhz ram compared to 2400Mhz ram, shouldn't they perform identically with both speed's of ram?


Now you say that the spec sheet has been put together to confuse people, but when was the last time you saw someone in Curry's/PCWorld or places like that ask, the salesman for a spec sheet for a cpu in order to make an informed decision?

I have never seen it, and I have never seen it at Scan, Overclockers, Aria or Microdirect when they were running, for either Intel or AMD CPU's.

Most people who build there own pc's do research before and choose a CPU that way, and most people who go and buy a pre-built system are mainly looking for which will get them to facebook or youtube faster, they are not looking at which will run at it's none advertised speed all the time.

If a CPU regardless of being locked or not or who makes it, will boost past a certain speed because the hardware accompanying it allow's it to, then that's great regardless of who makes it, but just because it doesn't do it when the accompanying hardware doesn't allow it to, shouldn't mean the manufacturer of it should be blasted for it.


I don't think we are going to agree about this, so I am going to leave it alone I have said what I want to say and you have said what you want to say, and I do understand you are not happy with Intel because they don't provide the information that you think they should, but you should in my opinion also not be happy with AMD about the same thing since they don't provide the same information.
 
It was all explained by AMD in a video demonstrating Wattman. All of it.

And no, we don't agree about it. Simply because your actions make me feel like you are confused. If you had a Ford car break would you take it back to Chevy and start hollering at them about it? you are mud slinging, at a problem that has nothing to do with AMD at all. If you don't like AMD, or some of their practices, or etc? then open another thread and say it there.

Let me give you a few examples of how you should be reacting to this news.

1. Join the "I don't give a crap it doesn't affect me" brigade. Pretty much how the world is these days, with every man out for himself.

2. The "Fingers in the ears" approach.

3. Being annoyed that a tech company was pulling the wool over people's eyes.

None of those involve slinging mud at AMD because you know what? this has nothing to do with AMD. At all.

If you don't like the bloke who has delivered this news to you? that again is fine, but your issue should not be with him. It's called "Don't shoot the messenger".

This technique is foolish because at some point this could end up affecting you.

Kinda like how, over the past few days, Intel owners have been quick to rush along and say "Don't panic ! this won't affect me ! it won't affect any one gaming on Windows" and do you know what? they were completely wrong. How does a 41% loss of speed on a NVME drive grab ya?

The problem is that people become so emphatic about the product they own and their "Don't give a crap if it doesn't affect ME" attitude that they become blinded. Then they get screwed (should've seen it coming but had their eyes closed) and then they look really silly.

Something like this is bad news. No matter who is doing it, and who reports it. And should be taken as such.

FACT - every one who bought a Sandy and on CPU has been screwed. And, I would bet that Intel knew all about this flaw. They would be incompetent if they did not. Yet not only did they refuse to do anything about it they continued selling CPUs with exactly the same flaw for a decade.

This is ignoring Spectre for now, and the consequences it MAY or may NOT have on AMD. This is all Intel baby.
 
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-update-7nm-vega-2018-navi-2019/

AMD apparently are not doing a 12nm Vega refresh. They'll be skipping straight to a 7nm Vega card in 2018 or more likely 2019. This appears to be focused on improving Vega for the machine learning market, which means we might not see anything from AMD all throughout this year for gamers. I was hoping Vega would be refreshed with the 12nm process like Ryzen and receive a nice boost, but sadly it might not be happening. When Vega is refreshed on the 7nm process, it could be only for the compute market and not us gamers. It also means that Navi might not come out until H2 of 2019, a very long way away. It's really looking bad for Radeon.
 
Thermal Take have just released their own keyboard its called the Corsair K70... wait no i mean its a TT X1.. or is it TT K70..

Well look at these picures and its very VERY similar to the Corsair K70. button placement, features, err maybe even PCB beneath the surface :P Wouldn't surprise me if it works with Corsair CUE software too :D

Source @ Guru3d

But look at this comparison. I'm by no means taking any credit from Johnny Guru but I just had to show it here.
Images below are from Guru3D.com. Hope Johnny doesnt mind. ;)

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I stood up for TT for their flak with some of their cases. But this goes to a new level.
 
Umm, those aren't the only 2 KBs layed out like that. I'm not seeing the big deal here. It's not like those are the only 2 KBs with media buttons and a volume wheel in that spot. Not getting the "outrage" on this one.
 
Bartacus said:
Umm, those aren't the only 2 KBs layed out like that. I'm not seeing the big deal here. It's not like those are the only 2 KBs with media buttons and a volume wheel in that spot. Not getting the "outrage" on this one.
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No one is outraged firstly. But I think its more a case of all the minute details you arent noticing.

logo/design on illumination button/lock button, the led lighting and symbols for numlock/capslock etc. The gnurled texture on the scroll feature for volume. Its all the same.

Yes i agree its difficult to make something unique now, but they haven't made an effort. funny thing is i tried to get a better picture from TT site and its not available anymore there.
 
Theme hospital is being remade so to speak.

Title will be called 2 point hospital and leading the project our 2 very key members of the old bullfrog games design and production.

Source
 
I'm excited to see what they do with the franchise, but the Alien series as a whole has been in many different directions and not always to its merits.
 
NVIDIA Asks Retailers To Stop Selling To Miners & Sell To Gamers Instead

Boris Böhles – NVIDIA ( Translated from German to English )
“For NVIDIA, gamers come first. All activities related to our GeForce product line are targeted at our main audience. To ensure that GeForce gamers continue to have good GeForce graphics card availability in the current situation, we recommend that our trading partners make the appropriate arrangements to meet gamers’ needs as usual.“
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Original source: https://www.computerbase.de/2018-01/nvidia-geforce-gtx-verkauf-an-spieler/

English: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-instructs-retailers-stop-selling-miners-sell-gamers/
 
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