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Dark NighT said:
Christ... Z490 isnt even out yet and they looking to bury it next year! Intel is crazy.
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Same old, same old. Intel makes a crap load of money selling chipsets and licenses. What I mean by licenses is you need one to use Intel sockets on your boards.

So every time they come up with a new socket they get paid. That is why they do it. However, they are failing to realise the landscape has changed. But then that's Intel isn't it? "Sorry we can't solder our dies for reasons" yet they did it as soon as AMD released Zen.

I wouldn't mind, but of the 490 boards I have seen they all look bum bleedingly expensive. Like, £400+. And with the core war raging on (and it will rage on more with the next Zen) you are then stuck. Which a few years ago was no problem if you bought high end. When the 5820k launched I just laughed, because my 3970x Sandy was faster (because it clocked hard). However that has now changed.

Rationing out cores on £400 boards is insane. And you need a 490 board, because if you don't you can't overclock.

Maybe it has something to do with the OEM market? god knows. Maybe it's because of said licensing and chipset fees? IDK. In the desktop (self build) it's just insanity.
 
MSI released a long video about their boards, but there were some interesting graphs about binning of the 10th gen CPUs. It seems that getting a good bin of anything but the 10900k is very rare indeed.


https://youtu.be/FxRNHSY_0E0


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Images nicked from this Finnish article: https://www.io-tech.fi/uutinen/msi-...essoreiden-binnauksesta-ja-tehonkulutuksesta/
 
Dark NighT said:
Christ... Z490 isnt even out yet and they looking to bury it next year! Intel is crazy.
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No, that's Intel being Intel and another reason (of a long list of reasons) that I jumped to Ryzen.

I also find it questionable for AMD to exclude X470/B450 owners from the 4xxx series Ryzen CPU's so I'm not advocating they're perfect in any shape or form either - 3 series boards, IMHO yeah, I'd say it was fair to exclude those beyond 3xxx series CPU's as I personally I don't feel they would be up to it anyway; certainly not in terms of memory support (they were and still are really really picky as to what they will and won't work with properly).
 
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So it turns out that Epic Games China managed to run the Unreal Engine 5 PS5 demo on a gaming laptop and it runs better on it than it does on the "speciality hardware" of the PS5 in the released video, Imagine my surprise, High end gaming laptop outperforms console, Shocker..... :D

Having read various comments on various articles etc... apparently there's a lot of damage control happening over this and Tim Sweeney is trying to say it was actually just a video at 1440P.... running at 40FPS... etc... it's looking like Epic China weren't meant to release this info, Gotta save them Sony $$$ :yelrotflmao:

Earlier this week, Epic Games presented an amazing tech demo of Unreal Engine 5 on PS5. That demo was running at 1440p with 30fps and looked spectacular. However, that same demo can already run with 40fps on an NVIDIA RTX2080 notebook at 1440p.

This has been confirmed by Epic Games China. According to Epic Games China, the Unreal Engine 5 Tech Demo can already run faster on the PC. Not only that, but it appears that the demo does not take full advantage of PS5’s SSD. After all, an NVMe 970 SSD is more than enough to run the game with 40fps at 1440p.

Thus, a modern system with an NVMe 970 SSD and an NVIDIA RTX2080 can already outperform the unreleased PS5 in this particular tech demo. Again, and while the PS5 SSD is quite a beast, this particular demo does not push it to its limits. However, I think it’s quite obvious right now that owners of such GPUs and SSDs will be fine with next-gen games.

Unreal Engine 5 Tech Demo pushed incredible visuals, so we are really curious to see whether games will actually look as good as it did. After all, we never got close to the Agni’s Philosophy tech demo in the PS4/Xbox One era.

You can find Epic Games China’s comments about the Unreal Engine 5 Demo performance on the PC here. You can listen to Epic Games’ developer talk about the PC performance at the 53-minute point. Just to clarify, the demo they showed later on was NOT running on the PC. The developers revealed the specs and framerate when asked if they had tried to run the demo on a PC.
Here is exactly what the Epic Games developer said.

“Our goal is that the graphic quality like this demo, we want to make it run 60FPS at next-gen consoles. But now we do not reach the goal. Now it is 30FPS. Our target is 60FPS, that is also why we can not release it now. And I can assure you that we can run this demo in our notebook, in editor , not cooked, it even can 40FPS. (Afterwards someone in BBS confirmed that the device is RTX2080 and 970EVO)”
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Source - https://www.dsogaming.com/news/epic...-run-with-40fps-on-rtx2080-notebook-at-1440p/
 
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It's a tech demo dice on a multiplatform engine. It can be ran on a Switch it's not crazy for it to not be on just a ps5.

As far as the demo running better, well it can only run on the other platforms because it's not using the full power of the SSD. If they were maximizing the IO throughput of the ps5 system they would have had to have to reoptimize for other platforms, which is just a waste of time for them.

They still have a long way to go for further optimization of the engine as they figure out and better understand the new consoles in addition to the better libraries available to them from Sony/MS. That's why they are saying they are aiming for 60fps they just cannot right now.

Even still if right now a gpu more expensive than the entire ps5 console is only managing 10fps more, then that's kinda expected isn't it? If you spent more money from a 2070 to a 2080 you'd expect that kind of jump too.
 
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The thing that stands out for me is that it's only 1440p 30 FPS yet fanboys genuinely think the PS5 will be capable of pumping out 8K gameplay at playable levels.

This is why I never put much stock in tech demos... Was it pretty? Yes. Does it really reveal anything? No.
 
trawetSluaP said:
The thing that stands out for me is that it's only 1440p 30 FPS yet fanboys genuinely think the PS5 will be capable of pumping out 8K gameplay at playable levels.

This is why I never put much stock in tech demos... Was it pretty? Yes. Does it really reveal anything? No.
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Tbh I haven't seen anyone believe 8k. Just 8k streaming.
 
I'd have thought it was common knowledge that the consoles will be more or less on par with current PC's as soon as they are out they will be a generation behind it's really nothing unexpected :D bassically midrange and that go's for both sony and ms they all want to hype things we all know how this go's, it'll move things forward at least.
 
They've never even marketed 8K gaming, the console just supports HDMI 2.1 and the 8K output. If someone makes up expectations, what does that matter? It's not Sony which are being dishonest.

I do think being within punching range of a 2080 mobile is pretty good, look at the price of such hardware nowadays. If the console's pricing isn't outrageous, it will be a good deal. I don't understand this animosity between PC and consoles, when they generally fill different purposes. As far as sofa gaming is concerned, best we have is Steam Big Picture and that's just completely outclassed by console operating systems.
 
looz said:
They've never even marketed 8K gaming, the console just supports HDMI 2.1 and the 8K output. If someone makes up expectations, what does that matter? It's not Sony which are being dishonest.
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Never said they were. The issue is people assuming based on limited info.
 
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