PETA wants Warhammer characters to stop wearing fur

[Greenback]

Well, that's a healthier way to be and actually would help animals in the long run. PETA is not that.

Well not the cows and sheep we would no longer need, and the fields we'd need to grow extra food, and there's nothing unhealthy about eating meat

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Well not the cows and sheep we would no longer need, and the fields we'd need to grow extra food, and there's nothing unhealthy about eating meat

There are studies showing correlations between cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and eating meat in great quantity. Or, more accurately, there is a perceptible reduction in the risk of these problems when cutting out or reducing animal products and, crucially, replacing them with vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes, etc. While I wouldn't suggest anyone use the 'health argument' for becoming vegetarian or vegan as there isn't nearly enough peer-reviewed studies on the subject, there are demonstrable health benefits to replacing meat, especially heavily processed red meats such as sausages, with the non-animal-based alternatives. It's not fully corroborated or 100% provable, but the signs are there. More studies need to be made. I'm just pointing out that humanity would likely be healthier if we did not eat any animals products besides things like fermented drinks such as kefir (made with cows milk) or treats such as handmade cheeses and instead ate naturally occurring fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, etc..

You can find a lot the studies done here, if you're interested. I'll paraphrase what the registered dietitian who writes the articles says on the topic:

"In summary, not enough is yet known about vegan mortality to draw any conclusions other than that vegans do not have unusually high rates of mortality and they probably do better than the average person due either to diet or a healthier lifestyle."

In my opinion, replacing meat with healthier substitutes is the thing to pay attention to. It's not that meat is inherently unhealthy; more that the alternatives are significantly healthier in almost all areas.

 

[Greenback]

some of those studies are from years back when we didn't have the regulations we have now as in you can't buy a pork chop with an inch thick of fat and crackling, also a possible reason could be that vegan's take more interest in their health so less lightly to smoke or drink excessively. also note that B12 deficiency in vegans can cause nerve damage.
TBH I'm always dubious of studies on sites with an agenda, I can link a site that has studies proving the earth is 6000 years old and flat

 

[SeekaX]

There are studies showing correlations between cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and eating meat in great quantity. Or, more accurately, there is a perceptible reduction in the risk of these problems when cutting out or reducing animal products and, crucially, replacing them with vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, legumes, etc. While I wouldn't suggest anyone use the 'health argument' for becoming vegetarian or vegan as there isn't nearly enough peer-reviewed studies on the subject, there are demonstrable health benefits to replacing meat, especially heavily processed red meats such as sausages, with the non-animal-based alternatives. It's not fully corroborated or 100% provable, but the signs are there. More studies need to be made. I'm just pointing out that humanity would likely be healthier if we did not eat any animals products besides things like fermented drinks such as kefir (made with cows milk) or treats such as handmade cheeses and instead ate naturally occurring fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes, etc..

You can find a lot the studies done here, if you're interested. I'll paraphrase what the registered dietitian who writes the articles says on the topic:

In my opinion, replacing meat with healthier substitutes is the thing to pay attention to. It's not that meat is inherently unhealthy; more that the alternatives are significantly healthier in almost all areas.

Eating anything in large quantities is going to be bad for you, i reckon the seasoning (e.g. mostly salt) we use is by far less healthy than the meat itself. Aren't there certain nutrients in meats which are hard to replace with a vegan diet? I also heard that milk is supposed to be not all that healthy because it's made specifically for calves, take that with a grain of salt though, i'm merely repeating rumors and i'm by no means an expert. I'd question the impartiality of that veganhealth.org article as well.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

some of those studies are from years back when we didn't have the regulations we have now as in you can't buy a pork chop with an inch thick of fat and crackling, also a possible reason could be that vegan's take more interest in their health so less lightly to smoke or drink excessively. also note that B12 deficiency in vegans can cause nerve damage.
TBH I'm always dubious of studies on sites with an agenda, I can link a site that has studies proving the earth is 6000 years old and flat

I agree. I try to be cautious about what I'm reading, to note whether there is an agenda. But if you read the entire site I linked and learn about the dietitian who wrote it, you'll see he has no agenda other than to do his best to show the work he does. He is vegan, as far as we know, but he is vegan for moral reasons, not health reasons. Other vegan sites, such as the Vegan RD—also ran by a peer-reviewed qualified dietitian—share the same ideology, which is that the health argument for veganism is not as constructive or fool-proof as the argument for veganism based on morality.

I'm vegetarian and limit my dairy consumption. I take B12 supplements because I have to. But I also take D3 supplements because I'm house-bound a lot of the time and live in Ireland. A lot of meat eaters would be deficient in vitamins and minerals that vegans would not be, and visa versa. No diet is perfect as it doesn't come down to diet alone. There are vegans who vegans for health reasons who live in London or New York, which is counterproductive to me. That's why promoting the inconclusive health benefits of veganism first before morality is daft and won't succeed in the long run.

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Eating anything in large quantities is going to be bad for you, i reckon the seasoning (e.g. mostly salt) we use is by far less healthy than the meat itself. Aren't there certain nutrients in meats which are hard to replace with a vegan diet? I also heard that milk is supposed to be not all that healthy because it's made specifically for calves, take that with a grain of salt though, i'm merely repeating rumors and i'm by no means an expert. I'd question the impartiality of that veganhealth.org article as well.

There's not enough proof to say that milk isn't healthy. As you said, in moderation it won't affect your life in any meaningful way beyond the morality question. I choose to not drink milk because I don't like the way it's harvested, if that's the right word. Not all dairy farms are unlike, but the mass extraction of milk from animals is not pleasant.