Finally the NDA for the retail cards has lifted so barely 8 months after the GTX480 hit the market nVidia have released their next card, the GTX580. Does it fix the issues?
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OC3D Review Zotac GTX580
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Rastalovich
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Be interested in what you thought of the drivers. What we've picked up was that it seemed as if just the identifiers were in the 262.xx, and that 263.xx atleast should have some 5xx 'special stuff' in them.
The oc too, somewhere around 100mhz should really be achieveable as there will be something like a 835 or 850 "oc" variant on the market using the same cooler and the usual crappy compound.
Not really worth it if you got a tamed 480. But £400 should really be the stock versions price prior to christmas, dropping to £350-375 in Q1.
The oc too, somewhere around 100mhz should really be achieveable as there will be something like a 835 or 850 "oc" variant on the market using the same cooler and the usual crappy compound.
Not really worth it if you got a tamed 480. But £400 should really be the stock versions price prior to christmas, dropping to £350-375 in Q1.
silenthill
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I’ve seen the sli performance for the 580 on GURU 3D and it is very similar to the 480 so for me no upgrade & no selling my 480’s on eBay, I think I’ll wait for the next generation or something with at least 50% more kick to justify the huge price tag and also there are no games that really demand more power right now so the Christmas dough will have to go this year on something ells.
alienware
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At last. At pigging last a decent review pitting it against other cards of the ilk.
Being brutally frank I am still not sold. I would still rather have the lightning for its build quality, back plate and (IMO) better cooling solution.
I would say hats off to Nvidia but I can't. Mostly because I feel for those who bought the 480 who really should have got this card.
Is it a good card? yes. But there are still forks in the road that lead to where it is now.
There is one great part to this card though. 4 series cards are now dropping through the floor in prices. This morning I stopped over at OCUK only to find they are selling the EVGA 460 1gb for £135 or so. This is actually the most awesome part to come from the 5 series launch. Most of the 4 series were very fast cards. Obviously the 460 doesn't need any fettling to get right but the 470 can now be had, with a Gelid Icyvision (which isn't the best cooler but does make it behave) for £200. And the 470 beats the 5850 by quite a margin (in all of the tests and reviews it only lost in Anno whatever the heck that was, taking a clear lead in absolutely everything else).
Again, you guys absolutely rock. I love this review because it gives a very good understanding of exactly what this card can do when pitted against the cards that are in the same pricing bracket AND the one that was the pre 'what the 480 should have been'.
So a big thankyou as always. I can't quite put my finger on it but there's just something very honest and very real about OC3D reviews that I can't seem to find anywhere else. Maybe it's the fact that the reviewers here (and IMO Bryan above all else, sorry other reviewers !
) are so passionate about the job in hand. I mean, there I was last night literally with my hands together praying that the lightning could be used in this review. And there it is.
*applauds*
Being brutally frank I am still not sold. I would still rather have the lightning for its build quality, back plate and (IMO) better cooling solution.
I would say hats off to Nvidia but I can't. Mostly because I feel for those who bought the 480 who really should have got this card.
Is it a good card? yes. But there are still forks in the road that lead to where it is now.
There is one great part to this card though. 4 series cards are now dropping through the floor in prices. This morning I stopped over at OCUK only to find they are selling the EVGA 460 1gb for £135 or so. This is actually the most awesome part to come from the 5 series launch. Most of the 4 series were very fast cards. Obviously the 460 doesn't need any fettling to get right but the 470 can now be had, with a Gelid Icyvision (which isn't the best cooler but does make it behave) for £200. And the 470 beats the 5850 by quite a margin (in all of the tests and reviews it only lost in Anno whatever the heck that was, taking a clear lead in absolutely everything else).
Again, you guys absolutely rock. I love this review because it gives a very good understanding of exactly what this card can do when pitted against the cards that are in the same pricing bracket AND the one that was the pre 'what the 480 should have been'.
So a big thankyou as always. I can't quite put my finger on it but there's just something very honest and very real about OC3D reviews that I can't seem to find anywhere else. Maybe it's the fact that the reviewers here (and IMO Bryan above all else, sorry other reviewers !
*applauds*
This touches on what I was going to ask..
I was reading that the 480's performance actually suffered as it got hotter.
Look at some of the 580 benches here, it looks like it has been throttled on certain games at certain settings. While this was probably still playing silently, would the performance have increased should you have manually bumped the fan speed up and in turn lowered the temps so if throttling was happening, it would be aleviated and fps may have increased.
Reason I ask is that I tend to set my own fan profiles manually and as Runebeard said, I'm not fussed at all by noise from the fan while gaming.
Oh yeah, nice review by the way Brian... One thing you might want to update though is talking about the cooler.. You say it's a big lump of copper and heatsink but don't once mention the vapor chamber part of it.
I was reading that the 480's performance actually suffered as it got hotter.
Look at some of the 580 benches here, it looks like it has been throttled on certain games at certain settings. While this was probably still playing silently, would the performance have increased should you have manually bumped the fan speed up and in turn lowered the temps so if throttling was happening, it would be aleviated and fps may have increased.
Reason I ask is that I tend to set my own fan profiles manually and as Runebeard said, I'm not fussed at all by noise from the fan while gaming.
Oh yeah, nice review by the way Brian... One thing you might want to update though is talking about the cooler.. You say it's a big lump of copper and heatsink but don't once mention the vapor chamber part of it.
Impressive stuff indeed. I'm almost tempted to splurge some student loan on one of these
I'd deffo rather turn the fan up a little bit more than let temps creep up, I play my games quite loud so wouldn't hear it anyways.
Great combined effort though guys, keep it up
murphy7801
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Want to see what a non ref one can do from some one like msi or gainward
silenthill
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At last. At pigging last a decent review pitting it against other cards of the ilk.
Being brutally frank I am still not sold. I would still rather have the lightning for its build quality, back plate and (IMO) better cooling solution.
I would say hats off to Nvidia but I can't. Mostly because I feel for those who bought the 480 who really should have got this card.
Is it a good card? yes. But there are still forks in the road that lead to where it is now.
There is one great part to this card though. 4 series cards are now dropping through the floor in prices. This morning I stopped over at OCUK only to find they are selling the EVGA 460 1gb for £135 or so. This is actually the most awesome part to come from the 5 series launch. Most of the 4 series were very fast cards. Obviously the 460 doesn't need any fettling to get right but the 470 can now be had, with a Gelid Icyvision (which isn't the best cooler but does make it behave) for £200. And the 470 beats the 5850 by quite a margin (in all of the tests and reviews it only lost in Anno whatever the heck that was, taking a clear lead in absolutely everything else).
Again, you guys absolutely rock. I love this review because it gives a very good understanding of exactly what this card can do when pitted against the cards that are in the same pricing bracket AND the one that was the pre 'what the 480 should have been'.
So a big thankyou as always. I can't quite put my finger on it but there's just something very honest and very real about OC3D reviews that I can't seem to find anywhere else. Maybe it's the fact that the reviewers here (and IMO Bryan above all else, sorry other reviewers !) are so passionate about the job in hand. I mean, there I was last night literally with my hands together praying that the lightning could be used in this review. And there it is.
*applauds*
Thanks for your feelings
alienware
Banned
It probably did. Due to the really high levels of heat.
It does throttle. But not because of heat, because of wattage consumption. I mentioned this yesterday. This means that heavy overclocks are out. Adding third party coolers to bring the temps down more and massive overclocks are out. Meaning that this card pretty much has to be taken out of the box, overclocked as much as you can before hitting the brick wall and then that's it. Once the card consumes over 300w it automatically throttles to stop it getting too hot. But, sadly it's not at a temp level that it throttles. If it was then like the 480 that could be controlled with an uber cooler. Sadly though they're a bit more crafty than that. With any luck some one on techpowerup will find what does it in the bios (if it's even a bios call) and get rid of it.
Noise when gaming doesn't fuss me either. Good speakers and a bloody good headset get rid of that
I feel your pain man. I got a 280. Then they release the 285 and my 280 went bang.
I wouldn't even mind if there was a large gap between these card releases but it's almost like they just don't care about rubbing stuff into people's faces.
I do have to say the GTX 470 at £175 for the Gigabyte OC version with Mafia 2 free is a pretty amazing deal really.
You can get them a touch cheaper but I'd go with Gigabyte for their top drawer 3 year warranty.
You can get them a touch cheaper but I'd go with Gigabyte for their top drawer 3 year warranty.
alienware
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Yeah deffo. POV give a three year tho tbh. And out of all of the cards I saw theirs (just IMO of course) had the best looking sticker on
It's like that sexy blue bird from Avatar screwed an Nvidia executive
Where is the POV repair centre though?? That's the pain in the arse for me. I've had to send cards over to Japan before which cost a small fortune... Gigabyte is something like Milton Keynes.
Yeah deffo. POV give a three year tho tbh. And out of all of the cards I saw theirs (just IMO of course) had the best looking sticker on
It's like that sexy blue bird from Avatar screwed an Nvidia executive
silenthill
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I feel your pain man. I got a 280. Then they release the 285 and my 280 went bang.
I wouldn't even mind if there was a large gap between these card releases but it's almost like they just don't care about rubbing stuff into people's faces.
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I’ve got used to it because NVIDIA & AMD(ATI) don’t care about customer loyalty anymore and that’s because there lost in this crazy competition between them, believe me if there were more graphic chip manufactures in the market this situation ( rubbing stuff into people's faces ) would not exist and customer loyalty will take first priority.
I wouldn't even mind if there was a large gap between these card releases but it's almost like they just don't care about rubbing stuff into people's faces.
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I’ve got used to it because NVIDIA & AMD(ATI) don’t care about customer loyalty anymore and that’s because there lost in this crazy competition between them, believe me if there were more graphic chip manufactures in the market this situation ( rubbing stuff into people's faces ) would not exist and customer loyalty will take first priority.
alienware
Banned
They never did Silenthill.
A part of the reason why PC gaming has gone down the toilet is the speed at which they keep changing hardware and banging out new cards.
*old git mode well and truly on*
Niii, in my day the Voodoo was out for nearly two years before the Voodoo 2 came along. And then another two years before the 3000 series AGP cards hit the shelves.
A year after that the race was on
Where Voodoo used to make two cards on the same series of GPU chip they now make at least ten. Screwing every one that bought one a month ago with every new release. I wouldn't even mind if there were enough games coming out to feed the idea of flooding the market with new hardware, but people are still using Crysis Warhead as a benchmark and it STILL doesn't run as well as it should
It's just absolute b*ll*cks mate.
A part of the reason why PC gaming has gone down the toilet is the speed at which they keep changing hardware and banging out new cards.
*old git mode well and truly on*
Niii, in my day the Voodoo was out for nearly two years before the Voodoo 2 came along. And then another two years before the 3000 series AGP cards hit the shelves.
A year after that the race was on
Where Voodoo used to make two cards on the same series of GPU chip they now make at least ten. Screwing every one that bought one a month ago with every new release. I wouldn't even mind if there were enough games coming out to feed the idea of flooding the market with new hardware, but people are still using Crysis Warhead as a benchmark and it STILL doesn't run as well as it should
It's just absolute b*ll*cks mate.
murphy7801
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They never did Silenthill.
A part of the reason why PC gaming has gone down the toilet is the speed at which they keep changing hardware and banging out new cards.
*old git mode well and truly on*
Niii, in my day the Voodoo was out for nearly two years before the Voodoo 2 came along. And then another two years before the 3000 series AGP cards hit the shelves.
A year after that the race was on
Where Voodoo used to make two cards on the same series of GPU chip they now make at least ten. Screwing every one that bought one a month ago with every new release. I wouldn't even mind if there were enough games coming out to feed the idea of flooding the market with new hardware, but people are still using Crysis Warhead as a benchmark and it STILL doesn't run as well as it should
It's just absolute b*ll*cks mate.
So i see you bought 3 gtx 480's then to have that attitude
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