Nvidia Titan V Specifications - Is it worth $3,000?

[Kaapstad]

Doesn't Civ5 start to slow down on an engine level and eventually crash once you hit massive maps and vast amount of empires/city states? I thought it did that's why I never played games like that.
Idk I just remember a bunch of mod makers talking about it and the limitations.

You are right in what you say above but with a powerful CPU/GPU (6950X/Titan Xp) I can now finish any game I start but there is still a problem. The problem is I must keep playing at the end of a game as a massive empire/map game will not reload correctly and I lose all the tile improvements on half the map.

The best CPU to use would be the new 8700k as you need the best possible IPC but I don't have one of those but the 7980XE makes a good second choice and I am looking forward to pairing it up with the Titan V for some Civ5.

For me Civ5 is the best game ever and my only criticism is you can not level the mountains.

I can only really observe from the outside but to me it seems GPU tech advances so quickly compared to CPU that CPU's have a hard time playing catchup.

I do look forward to the day that we can get an 18 core chip at 4.50GHz in the mainstream that doesn't cost £2000 ^_^

I could quite happily go out and get the 18 core right now but I swap hardware too much for it to really be worth it.

I think multi core CPUs are set to become more commonplace in the next couple of years at a reasonable price just look at the 8700k which is a fantastic piece of kit.

As to GPUs there is still room for them to become many times more powerful as games could tax them a lot more with photo realistic gameplay. Until we get a single GPU that is capable of photorealistic images @8k/120htz or better there will still be plenty of room for improvement.

In 20 years time the Titan V could look very mickey mouse compared to the integrated graphics on a CPU.

Ultimately I can see a time when PCs don't even have a AMD/intel CPU and all you do is fit a GPU that can also do what the CPU does now which is small beer compared to to the massive workload that graphics are.

 

[NeverBackDown]

Basically just brute Force your way through it lol
There's a mod/editor that allows you to edit any tile in real time. You can level mountains that way. Its a very nice tool honestly I loved it.

I'm still more impressed that you are able to not crash the game simple because POWA!!! that's pretty cool. If only they made that game engine a little more robust.

 

[Kaapstad]

Basically just brute Force your way through it lol
There's a mod/editor that allows you to edit any tile in real time. You can level mountains that way. Its a very nice tool honestly I loved it.

I'm still more impressed that you are able to not crash the game simple because POWA!!! that's pretty cool. If only they made that game engine a little more robust.

Level mountains

Tell me more please !!!

 

[NeverBackDown]

Level mountains

Tell me more please !!!

On steam workshop. Just subscribe and let it download.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=77002777

 

[Kaapstad]

On steam workshop. Just subscribe and let it download.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=77002777

Thanks.

 

[SPS]

Yeah I remember having a 24 hour prime stable overclock on my Phenom X6, but Civ V would always blue screen on the OC :lol:

 

[Kaapstad]

Yeah I remember having a 24 hour prime stable overclock on my Phenom X6, but Civ V would always blue screen on the OC :lol:

Civ 5 is fantastic as an overclock stable check as it works the graphics too and generates a lot of heat.

I never use Prime for anything.



Just put my second card in my old 6950X system which can only do 4.4ghz.

Despite the CPU the Titan V is disgustingly fast.

Check out the graphics score on this one.

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14426627

 

[TheF34RChannel]

No just gaming.

Having said that my favourite game of all time is Civ5 which is quite capable of bringing even the most powerful of PCs to its knees when it is played on a huge map with a massive empire.

I am hoping that a 7980XE/TitanV setup can make it a bit more playable later in the game.


If anyone wants to really stress test a PC build forget prime 95 and play Civ 5, this will work both the CPU and graphics and generates a lot of heat.






CPUs are probably even more researched than GPUs and are available on smaller nodes too.

Unfortunately intel have very little competition and are in no hurry to share the latest research in their products.

Having said that with the arrival of Threadripper we can now buy 18/36 core/thread CPUs from intel that can reach 4.8ghz.

Hey that's what I'm currently playing and I'm clueless lol, need to find some tutorial videos.

 

[Kaapstad]

Hey that's what I'm currently playing and I'm clueless lol, need to find some tutorial videos.

Play as the Songhai on a large map with raging barbarians, you will have all the money you need to build with.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Play as the Songhai on a large map with raging barbarians, you will have all the money you need to build with.

I don't even know how to set that up tbh. I just started a game for practice and managed to thrive, had a depression that nearly destroyed it, but saved it and the empire is up and coming again. I just don't understand many things yet.

 

[NeverBackDown]

I don't even know how to set that up tbh. I just started a game for practice and managed to thrive, had a depression that nearly destroyed it, but saved it and the empire is up and coming again. I just don't understand many things yet.

It's not that hard. Don't over think it
It's truly a blast.

 

[Kaapstad]

It's not that hard. Don't over think it
It's truly a blast.

Absolutely

Meet people
Make friends
Then annihilate them !!!

 

[TheF34RChannel]

He he! I'm starting over tonight tbh, and do things differently. Did all randomly before and I'm an Aztec right now. Thinking about the one Kaapstad mentioned, or maybe Japan or Poland. Any suggestions for a first time player are welcome. I could go all patriotic and pick the Netherlands.

Back on topic, can we expect gamer cards, non Ti, to top out around 1000 coins?

 

[Kaapstad]

He he! I'm starting over tonight tbh, and do things differently. Did all randomly before and I'm an Aztec right now. Thinking about the one Kaapstad mentioned, or maybe Japan or Poland. Any suggestions for a first time player are welcome. I could go all patriotic and pick the Netherlands.

Back on topic, can we expect gamer cards, non Ti, to top out around 1000 coins?

Don't think there will be any Volta gaming cards, the Titan V is I think a vehicle to offload surplus GV100 chips that can not be used in the professional cards.

Rumour has it NVidias next gen of gaming cards will be on a different architecture to Volta and hopefully at much better price points.

 

[Dicehunter]

Don't think there will be any Volta gaming cards, the Titan V is I think a vehicle to offload surplus GV100 chips that can not be used in the professional cards.

Rumour has it NVidias next gen of gaming cards will be on a different architecture to Volta and hopefully at much better price points.

I can fully agree on Volta not being the next GTX series, Volta is simply too expensive to produce.

Plus you have to look at it from a core to core ratio too.

If you take the tensor cores and 12GB of HBM out of the equation and replace it with GDDR5X or GDDR6, It's still going to be a £2000 card or there abouts, You lower the core count and memory bandwidth to make it more affordable and in the price range of the 1080/1080 Ti and the performance isn't really going to be that far off Pascal, Begging the question, Would it really be worth releasing a Volta GTX card ?

My guess is not really.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Whatever the gamer solution will be, I remain fearful. Checked the current Ti Strix price, for example; €919,00... It doesn't bode well because I don't see the 2080 being priced lower than a predecessor.

I get what you're both saying about Volta consumer variants not being worth it. On the other hand hand there's 0 indication about Ampere which still seemed pulled out of thin air by that website no one heard of before. I remain skeptical on that front, but but with an unhealthy dose of curiosity ha ha!

 

[NeverBackDown]

Whatever the gamer solution will be, I remain fearful. Checked the current Ti Strix price, for example; €919,00... It doesn't bode well because I don't see the 2080 being priced lower than a predecessor.

I get what you're both saying about Volta consumer variants not being worth it. On the other hand hand there's 0 indication about Ampere which still seemed pulled out of thin air by that website no one heard of before. I remain skeptical on that front, but but with an unhealthy dose of curiosity ha ha!

With how heavily integrated all the ML/DL/AI/DP features are into Volta it seems very very unlikely it could be cut down enough to make a gamer card. It's not that much different than Pascal. It essentially boils down to Pascal with a couple minor tweaks but then added features for ML/DL/AI/DP and Tensor cores being a big part of that. Seems more likely the next gen architecture is aimed at gamers. Whether that's volta or whatever else.

Nvidia's last official roadmap doesn't even list Pascal. They certainly are capable of pulling a fast one.

 

[AlienALX]

I think we will see Volta at some point. Whether it be two years from now, we will see it in some form. Nvidia would not make an entire technology and only get one lot of sales out of it. Remember, the longer you make something the cheaper it gets.

I am interested to see what Ampere is. Whether it is Pascal shrunk, or, some form of cut down Volta. They didn't just whisk it up over night, so it has to be one of them.

BTW. We would have gotten Volta had Vega not sucked. Remember, there was utterly no mention of "Ampere" at all before Vega they announced it a couple of weeks after the Vega FE, and probably after they had done a few belly laughs.

One thing you can expect now is for Nvidia to turn their sails out of the wind and just start coasting. So GPU advances and tech will slow down to a near crawl. Hopefully this will give Intel a better chance to carry on with the CPU enema AMD forced onto them and CPU tech will start catching up. But yeah, as for GPU tech? the battle is over and the war is won and they didn't even have to get out out the new guns.

I am not sure how I feel about it tbh. Angered that Nvidia will now hold onto Volta for as long as they can? annoyed that AMD have basically nothing to show? or happy that my Titan XP will last a whole lot longer than I thought it would before it was out done, out powered and worthless?

I did not take the price of £675 lightly. That is the most I have ever spent on a GPU. Before that the record of £439 on my 7970 was beaten only by my 7990 @ £499, but I got a PSU that I sold for £120 free with it. The Titan XM was £430, so not even as expensive as the 7970 etc.

So yeah, force the devs to work with what they have for a bit longer (because honestly they can't actually expect people to buy Volta in its current guise for gaming) sounds pretty good to me. Much better than "Here is Volta, not even a year after Titan XP, you wasted £675 you absolute mug".

 

[Kaapstad]

I think we will see Volta at some point. Whether it be two years from now, we will see it in some form. Nvidia would not make an entire technology and only get one lot of sales out of it. Remember, the longer you make something the cheaper it gets.

I am interested to see what Ampere is. Whether it is Pascal shrunk, or, some form of cut down Volta. They didn't just whisk it up over night, so it has to be one of them.

BTW. We would have gotten Volta had Vega not sucked. Remember, there was utterly no mention of "Ampere" at all before Vega they announced it a couple of weeks after the Vega FE, and probably after they had done a few belly laughs.

One thing you can expect now is for Nvidia to turn their sails out of the wind and just start coasting. So GPU advances and tech will slow down to a near crawl. Hopefully this will give Intel a better chance to carry on with the CPU enema AMD forced onto them and CPU tech will start catching up. But yeah, as for GPU tech? the battle is over and the war is won and they didn't even have to get out out the new guns.

I am not sure how I feel about it tbh. Angered that Nvidia will now hold onto Volta for as long as they can? annoyed that AMD have basically nothing to show? or happy that my Titan XP will last a whole lot longer than I thought it would before it was out done, out powered and worthless?

I did not take the price of £675 lightly. That is the most I have ever spent on a GPU. Before that the record of £439 on my 7970 was beaten only by my 7990 @ £499, but I got a PSU that I sold for £120 free with it. The Titan XM was £430, so not even as expensive as the 7970 etc.

So yeah, force the devs to work with what they have for a bit longer (because honestly they can't actually expect people to buy Volta in its current guise for gaming) sounds pretty good to me. Much better than "Here is Volta, not even a year after Titan XP, you wasted £675 you absolute mug".

I think Ampere will be very similar to Volta but designed from the start to

Use GDDR5X or GDDR6
Fab 12nm
No Tensor cores
Very few or no DP cores
Boost clockspeed around 2200mhz to 2300mhz.

I suspect Volta and Ampere have been developed together and share a lot of the same technology. As to the boost speed I quoted above one of my Titan Vs on air has managed 2060mhz and spends most of its time running at just under 2000mhz so a cut down gaming GPU should be able to reach much higher speeds.

 

[AlienALX]

Well there was no mention of Ampere at all until Vega flopped. So I guess we will never know if it was a die shrink of Pascal that they were just playing with or Volta in some form. I doubt it is Volta at all tbh. Why bother? to beat yourself? if they release Volta in any shape or form they will mar the price of the Titan because people will think "Hey, cheap Volta!". If it's just a die shrunk Pascal it will keep Volta prices high, and possibly push more people into buying Titan V.

Either way whatever they do it will be winning. Intel played honey I shrunk the CPU for years before AMD pulled their Ryzen finger out. I see no reason why Nvidia would not do the same. It's paid for tech, needs pretty much no research or development (because they leave that all to the people making the shrink) and so on. Money in the bag.

I will still stick to the "We will see Volta" part though. Simply because history shows us we always have. Servers and workstations etc.. Look to those to see what is coming next etc. Same old really.

The GDDR part? yeah, any even reasonably sane person would make sure their core tech can address more than one type of memory. AMD? HBM2 is pretty cheap for them. It isn't for Nvidia, so they would have done their best to make sure Volta can use GDDR. I am almost 100% sure about that. Plus as has been demonstrated to gamers since Pascal, we don't actually need it either.