Nvidia Speaks about Mantle - They won't support it.

[Kushiro]

Consoles have no need for Mantle o-o The concept of Mantle came from the how the consoles work actually.

 

[WYP]

In all honesty the only real application I can see for Mantle at present is to extend the XBONE and PS4 shelf life, given their very "Dated" hardware now. So I can see devs using it to try squeeze the most from those systems, as for PC it's all DX12 from here onwards.

Mantle is not for consoles, they already had low level APIs, hence why the last gen stuff could have as long of a shelf life as it did.

The idea of mantle came from this.

 

[Kaapstad]

Some things I have found with Mantle.

Mantle improves minimum FPS in nearly every situation.
The above benefit decreases as the resolution increases.
With modern high end CPUs there is only a small difference in average FPS between Mantle and DX11.
As the resolution increases to 4K, DX11 is actually faster.
Mantle @4K is a VRAM nightmare and on Thief with max settings is unrunable.
Game devs seem to be unable to implement it properly (see the VRAM comment above).

If you are using older spec setups that will run Mantle it is well worth using.

If you are using high spec setups at high resolution (4K) Mantle is best left alone.

 

[MadShadow]

How can those frame rates even be measured accurately? All of this can be within margin of error.

 

[Kushiro]

how much ram does the ps4 have? was it 8GB or am I imagining things?

 

[Dicehunter]

how much ram does the ps4 have? was it 8GB or am I imagining things?

8GB of GDDR5 where as the XB1 has 8GB DDR3

 

[WYP]

Some things I have found with Mantle.

Mantle improves minimum FPS in nearly every situation.
The above benefit decreases as the resolution increases.
With modern high end CPUs there is only a small difference in average FPS between Mantle and DX11.
As the resolution increases to 4K, DX11 is actually faster.
Mantle @4K is a VRAM nightmare and on Thief with max settings is unrunable.
Game devs seem to be unable to implement it properly (see the VRAM comment above).

If you are using older spec setups that will run Mantle it is well worth using.

If you are using high spec setups at high resolution (4K) Mantle is best left alone.

Very nice observations Kaapstad. It is good to have the opinions from a guy like you who I know has done the testing.

I remember Richard Huddy saying that a Big Mantle driver was coming, so perhaps I could get some testing done myself if that is true. I haven't gamed enough on Mantle yet. Also i think Snipe Elite should be getting Mantle support too.

I really should get round to finishing thief, I actually really enjoyed that game.

 

[MadShadow]

how much ram does the ps4 have? was it 8GB or am I imagining things?

Yeah 8 GB, but I think that's shared between the CPU and GPU, so nowhere on PC level.

 

[Dicehunter]

Some things I have found with Mantle.

Mantle improves minimum FPS in nearly every situation.
The above benefit decreases as the resolution increases.
With modern high end CPUs there is only a small difference in average FPS between Mantle and DX11.
As the resolution increases to 4K, DX11 is actually faster.
Mantle @4K is a VRAM nightmare and on Thief with max settings is unrunable.
Game devs seem to be unable to implement it properly (see the VRAM comment above).

If you are using older spec setups that will run Mantle it is well worth using.

If you are using high spec setups at high resolution (4K) Mantle is best left alone.

Ever thought of working for the big hardware companies as an official tester ? I think you would do very well

 

[Kushiro]

Sorry just had an episode of Deja-vu from seeing the above post. I get the feeling that I see the same post somewhere.

Well according to AMD advert Mantle is supposed to be"Revolutionary" hope to see some good results.

 

[Dicehunter]

Sorry just had an episode of Deja-vu from seeing the above post. I get the feeling that I see the same post somewhere.

Well according to AMD advert Mantle is supposed to be"Revolutionary" hope to see some good results.

You have probably seen me asking Kaap somewhere "why aren't you an official tester, Become the tester so you have ALL the stuff" ^_^

 

[barnsley]

Mantle is best suited for low level cpus. It really helps my friend's fx 4300.

 

[Kushiro]

Well that has been made rather clear I think haha. Also thanks for the help with the monitor Dicehunter

 

[Dicehunter]

Well that has been made rather clear I think haha. Also thanks for the help with the monitor Dicehunter

Your welcome

 

[SeekaX]

Sorry just had an episode of Deja-vu from seeing the above post. I get the feeling that I see the same post somewhere.

Well according to AMD advert Mantle is supposed to be"Revolutionary" hope to see some good results.

So much for marketing bullshit.