Phil Stanbridge
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At the moment I'm not 100% about the direction of the fans however, whether or not to turn the rad fans around so that they blow over rather than sucking through.
New personal project - advice sought
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At the moment I'm not 100% about the direction of the fans however, whether or not to turn the rad fans around so that they blow over rather than sucking through.
Is the performance not better when the fans are sucking rather than blowing? That's what people always told me anyway!
It's looking good, although I personally like the tube reservoirs, like the ones from wetandchillychips, or XSPC... They also aid the cooling of the water system, and some people even run without rads, they claim the are that good!
It's looking good, although I personally like the tube reservoirs, like the ones from wetandchillychips, or XSPC... They also aid the cooling of the water system, and some people even run without rads, they claim the are that good!
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nick25
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Looks nice mate (prefer my case though 
) Keep the fans the way they are. Sucking is better than blowing so to speak.
) Keep the fans the way they are. Sucking is better than blowing so to speak.Phil Stanbridge
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I swapped out the motherboard this morning and lo and behold my temps have dropped! 28/29 degrees idle. It wasnt the mounting of the block, so there was definitely something iffy going on there!
PHILIP1193
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how about soem internal pics mate i cant work out your loop and how bout some pics from diff angles a spics speak a 1000 words
Phil
Phil
GoLLuM4444
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It's missing a grill!
And I'd be surprised if anyone could work out the loop from that pic. A little diagram of the loop illustrating which fans push and pull would be helpful if you've got the time Phil.
And I'd be surprised if anyone could work out the loop from that pic. A little diagram of the loop illustrating which fans push and pull would be helpful if you've got the time Phil.
Phil Stanbridge
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Pics will follow in due course I'm just playing with the setup at the moment. Its running stable at 1.5v 3ghz. 200x15. It will boot into windows at 3.1 but isnt stable at the moment primarily due to voltages I think. That said the temps are now excellent, 34 degrees idle @ 3ghz, going up to 50 degrees under load at just 7v. XTPE is 27 degrees idle going up to 35 under load!
maverik-sg1
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Phil, is there enough room behind the RAD to fit 2 or 3 fans to provide a push pull config?
Is it possible to install a sneaky single 120mm rad somewhere (piped between CPU and GPU perhaps)?
50 degrees is the magic number for great CPU overclocking on water.
At 7v for all that power at those temps is fantastic - I wold imagine vary quiet too?
To reduce the vibration have you or could you install the fan gel mounts sold by Vantec?
Is it possible to install a sneaky single 120mm rad somewhere (piped between CPU and GPU perhaps)?
50 degrees is the magic number for great CPU overclocking on water.
At 7v for all that power at those temps is fantastic - I wold imagine vary quiet too?
To reduce the vibration have you or could you install the fan gel mounts sold by Vantec?
i suggest against a 120.1 added to the loop, the added restriction wouldnt make it worthwhile, plus the fact a triple rad wont be the bottle neck here
remember different chips read temps different due to the chip and the mobo itself
i.e
my vencie at 1.6v will hit 40C at 2.85ghz on my old water rig
my old diego at 2.9ghz 1.6v on water would hit 42C load
my older winchester would hit 50C with 1.55v
wheres the logic in that? mobo sensors are rubbish, followed by the fact that it differs fro cpu to cpu
as with the extra rad i fail to believe push pull will help much if at all
remember different chips read temps different due to the chip and the mobo itself
i.e
my vencie at 1.6v will hit 40C at 2.85ghz on my old water rig
my old diego at 2.9ghz 1.6v on water would hit 42C load
my older winchester would hit 50C with 1.55v
wheres the logic in that? mobo sensors are rubbish, followed by the fact that it differs fro cpu to cpu
as with the extra rad i fail to believe push pull will help much if at all
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nick25
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I agree an extra 120.1 rad may actually increase your temps due to the added restriction.
Phil Stanbridge
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There is plenty of room left for another 3 fans on the rad should I feel the need, but at the moment I'm plenty happy enough with 28 degrees idle at stock at 7v. Its is incredibly quiet as well. Makes a great gaming rig.
maverik-sg1
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Might not need 3 fans, just 1 in the middle or two on the top and bottom, selectable on/off used only when gaming - You could call it the tornado 'overdrive' Edition.
I work in the pumping industry (chemcical process) and I cant believe that an extra RAD would cause a restriction - 1/2" pipe = good flow, not sure of the pump you are using phil but if it's a AQ or MCP650 or similar higher pressure units - there's no way that a lil 120mm fan would be classed as a restriction, plus it could be passive too as I am guessing there's already good airflow throughout?
The cooling restriction could be water moving too fast around the rads to maximise the cooling potential?
These are just observations and comments for the discussion of course - I just love to see it overclocked running 45degrees under full load.
Either way, that case is superb - If I go 100% water cooling, thast what I'll have.
Could you fit a chiller in there?
Mav
I work in the pumping industry (chemcical process) and I cant believe that an extra RAD would cause a restriction - 1/2" pipe = good flow, not sure of the pump you are using phil but if it's a AQ or MCP650 or similar higher pressure units - there's no way that a lil 120mm fan would be classed as a restriction, plus it could be passive too as I am guessing there's already good airflow throughout?
The cooling restriction could be water moving too fast around the rads to maximise the cooling potential?
These are just observations and comments for the discussion of course - I just love to see it overclocked running 45degrees under full load.
Either way, that case is superb - If I go 100% water cooling, thast what I'll have.
Could you fit a chiller in there?
Mav
PHILIP1193
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not going to direct link but here is a pic of a vapochill in one 
So yes one will fit nto sure hwo big a vapo is though compared to a mach 2, as iv never seen either in real life
Phil
So yes one will fit nto sure hwo big a vapo is though compared to a mach 2, as iv never seen either in real life
Phil
[O-CuK]Marci
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Radiator directly onto case. Shroud on inside of rad. Fans on Shroud. Fans sucking air in thru case, thru rad, thru shroud, venting into case. Balance incoming air with more fans pulling out than pull in. ie: 3x120's pulling in, 4x 120's pushing out, or 3x 120s and 1x 80. The outlet fans provide more umph than the fans on the rad, so will cause additional air to be pulled thru than 3x rad fans sucking on their own.
Always better to have more fans pulling air out than fans pulling air in. Keeps internal pressure low as well.
That offers lowest noise vs best performance combination.
The new ThermoChills aren't dual PA160s... they're simply the HE Series reworked to be more efficient with less noise. As they stand the HE Series requires fans with hefty pressure to penetrate it's dense core. Now that watercooling attitudes have changed over the past few years, they're getting reworked based on results of PA160 testing to achieve the same low noise, gr8 performance (again, should actually be better than HE series as it stands currently but time will tell), with weak ass <20dBa fans.
Cathar currently has the prototypes of these reworks and again they are confirming and beating the theoretical models on which the changes were based. The models were drawn up from results of PA160 with various fans and flowrates. Take the answer to an equation, and you can always work it backwards and change the formulae so to speak. We can produce the same outcome by tweaking design parameters of the current HE series, meaning easy installation as back to 120mm footprint.
These reworked rads will be released as the PA120.x line...
Results of testing won't be released for another month or two... Cathar is awaiting a second bundle from myself including original HE series and shrouds for direct comparison etc.
Always better to have more fans pulling air out than fans pulling air in. Keeps internal pressure low as well.
That offers lowest noise vs best performance combination.
The new ThermoChills aren't dual PA160s... they're simply the HE Series reworked to be more efficient with less noise. As they stand the HE Series requires fans with hefty pressure to penetrate it's dense core. Now that watercooling attitudes have changed over the past few years, they're getting reworked based on results of PA160 testing to achieve the same low noise, gr8 performance (again, should actually be better than HE series as it stands currently but time will tell), with weak ass <20dBa fans.
Cathar currently has the prototypes of these reworks and again they are confirming and beating the theoretical models on which the changes were based. The models were drawn up from results of PA160 with various fans and flowrates. Take the answer to an equation, and you can always work it backwards and change the formulae so to speak. We can produce the same outcome by tweaking design parameters of the current HE series, meaning easy installation as back to 120mm footprint.
These reworked rads will be released as the PA120.x line...
Results of testing won't be released for another month or two... Cathar is awaiting a second bundle from myself including original HE series and shrouds for direct comparison etc.
The Legend
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Looks bloody excellent the way it is phil - is this the one you just sold?
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nick25
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Yeah it is, he doesn't keep his systems long does he
Phil Stanbridge
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lol.. yes I just sold it. I get very little time with personal builds due to the nature of the business I'm in, so I decided that rather than gathering dust it would be best suited to someone who can actually use it.. I'll stick to a couple of laptops for the time being.
