My newish car!

nathan

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for those that remember me ranting on about my fiesta about a year ago, well i finally got a new car!!!! Had it about a month now, specs are;

Astra SRI XP 150

1.9cdti (150bhp)

I have a chip coming on monday, will take it from 150bhp to 190bhp - 206bhp and lower the 0-60 to the low 7 seconds. torque should be around 320nm!! Not bad for a dirty diesel!! The pic doesnt do the wheels justice really, there 18 224 40. Look real nice when clean!

the pic..



so what you think, perhaps need a better pic!
 
Wow man very nice! I was thinking of chipping my car too, but chips i heard are bad, and u should really watch out. They do push your system really hard.
 
the chips for the diesel s are REALLY good,anywhere between 20-40%,whereas petrol chips give 10-20%

that astra will be a stormer with the chip fitted mate,becareful that you dont forget how much more powerful it is,otherwise..............."flash" "flash" mega points on licence
 
Nice, i was looking at buying one of these :D i love em i been doing my driving lessons in them and i find them comfortable!

And where/what is a chip? :S where do you put it?
 
name='nepas' said:
the chip goes inside the ECU of the car

Sorry but here goes my List of questions lol

are these hard to install?

Legal?

effect your insurance?

How much does a chip cost?

Is their a disadvantage such as overheating etc

because if i get an astra i wouldnt mind putting one of these babies for that performance increase
 
1.takes about 10 mins to install,but takes longer to setup using a laptop to fine tune(if you get a proper performance chip).

2.yes they are legal

3.yep will effect your insurance

4.price varies from car to car,between 150-400 pound

5.see number 3,also if its on a turdo car it can cause problems by overboosting and other issues IF you drive like a loon everywhere
 
name='darkorb' said:
Wow man very nice! I was thinking of chipping my car too, but chips i heard are bad, and u should really watch out. They do push your system really hard.

They can be bad if there not set up correctly, this one has 28 settings on it so i can tune it up or down.

name='webbo' said:
needs bigger wheels imo. Nice car though m8.

lol,, there 18" already, i'll try and find another pic that doesnt make them look so small!

name='Kempez' said:
Nice little ride there nathan, should be good on fuel and pretty nippy :)

yeah fuel is pretty good, i get 55mpg. Some people have seen that figure go up with the chip.

name='Silentsnake' said:
Nice, i was looking at buying one of these :D i love em i been doing my driving lessons in them and i find them comfortable!

And where/what is a chip? :S where do you put it?

It's a plug in chip, it goes on the common rail so can easily be removable.

name='Silentsnake' said:
Sorry but here goes my List of questions lol

are these hard to install?

Legal?

effect your insurance?

How much does a chip cost?

Is their a disadvantage such as overheating etc

because if i get an astra i wouldnt mind putting one of these babies for that performance increase

1. simple to install, takes 5 minutes and then some tweaking to find the best setting.

2. legal.

3.does effect your insurance

4. the one im getting costs £300 (but im getting it at trade).

5. There should be any disadvantages with overheating ect, so long as your warm the turbo up and down correctly you should be fine.
 
Nice car Nathan. Diesel economy could be the way we all head given the financial climate.

name='Silentsnake' said:
are these hard to install?

Legal?

effect your insurance?

How much does a chip cost?

Is their a disadvantage such as overheating etc

No any muppet can do it.

As long as they do not adversely effect emissions under MOT conditions they are perfectly legal.

Yes it will be adjusted by the power gained. 25% extra for a turbo to a non-turbo car so this will be less.

Cost depends on make £150-500 are common prices but these really are the pits for tuning so it is NOT worth it.

Disadvantage is slight heat increase due to the way it works but its still well within normal operating standards. The reliability after fitting will fall simply because of the nature of these horrid little things but as its a diesel it means slightly more smoke and maybe 200k out of the engine for petrol they are the devils sperm.

Before I go and explain these little blighters I'd like to say they have their place in tuning but they are WAY too expensive and a big risk for petrol engines.

Engines for the most part are controlled by the engine management system (EMS) this can be just an engine control unit (ECU) or ECU with sensory units for on-the fly adjustments and such. The engine like anything needs instructions to function, if you take the detail of instruction to be map resolution then you will already realise better resolution means better engine control. Here in lies the problem, OEM ECUs are low resolution (unless you get ferrari - which in house ECUs - or another high price car -which mostly use MoTeC) this means your car functions to the lowest possible standard. The standard is reliability and this is fine. A chip is known as a piggy-back really and hi-jacks the sensor signals and modifies them so the engine recieves different information. This produces more power because that is what it is tuned for (ie as close to 14.7AFR without knock and high IGN). The information still comes out at the same rate as the OEM and as such is still pretty bad. Its just better tuned for power not reliability. This is the inherent danger for petrol engines as they suffer far less tolerence in burning fuel than diesels and as such even changing petrol type (eg 97 to 95).

True piggy-back ECUs such as the eManage Blue (EMB) use more sensors (and upgradable ones too) as well as increase the resolution and so produce more power with better reliability. EMBs can be had off eBay for £150 and are FAR in advance of even Bluefin's attempts at mass chipping. Why? because they can truely be tuned not just dial set with rough accuracy.

The ONLY way to gain reliable power by doing such a modification is changing out to a standalone EMS or ECU. There are many out there MoTeC, Hydra, Emerald, eManage Ultimate, Megasquirt (a DIY option which costs £300 all in but you solder it together). The trouble with having this is once they are in you must tune them and to do that you need knock detection and wideband oxygen sensor setup. Once these are begged/borrowed you can setup and do it properly and truely feel comfort in your new power knowing that every second you hammer through the gears its perfectly safe.

Oh and this is coming from fitting most of the aforementioned things over many years. My little car has Emerald K3, knocklite and XD-16 wideband system all controlled and mapped via the in-car PC. Don't go with the mob true knowledge will always save you money and harm (to you, your pride and your investment).
 
nice long post and quite frankly full of cr@p.O and did you notice its a diesel and not a petrol.

"eManage Blue"-a true piggyback? I dont think so,and I am sure that dastek would have something to say about it as well,as they are the lead piggyback ecu people.tbh the only thing i agree with in your post is that the megasquirt is a fine little system,have played with it in a couple of vauxhall red tops and two turbos
 
as promised, this isnt my car, biut the exact same spec/model/colour

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Long post, interesting! most of the time i had no idea what your on about but thanks for the info... i guess lol

And i love your car mate i want to buy one but need to pass the driving test grrr
 
name='nepas' said:
"eManage Blue"-a true piggyback? I dont think so,and I am sure that dastek would have something to say about it as well,as they are the lead piggyback ecu people.

Yes they are true piggy-back and the only reason it is even made is so people without the money for full systems can afford to get better tuning. If Dastek are a good piggy-back but as for lead I wouldn't put them that forward over the EMB given its popularity with every make and PnP wiring.

Yes that is why information in that post was for both diesel and petrol because not everyone is diesel.

Don't believe me then don't but I know my experience tuning, installing these is good enough to have a objective one. Dave Walker has many books on ECUs and tuning if you wanna learn stuff like this and he is a helpful man (being builder of all Emerald systems and letting me test his new setup).
 
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