Microsoft's Hard Stance Against Vista Piracy

[Harrythepot]

Yeah but they can make it a right royal pita to own it. I welcome the anti-piracy implimentations...good on them, they have a right to protect what's legally theirs.

im not saying that they havent but you cant stop people from finding illegel software on the internet

 

[FarFarAway]

im not sayiong that they havent but you cant stop people from finding illegel software on the internet

I think that's quite enough of that. Discussion ended on this particular road.

 

[Rastalovich]

but at the end of the day, your buying a lisence to use a bit of software. its the license that costs the money and the media is a fraction of the cost.

I mean, would software developers not loose a hell of a lot of money, if they let you buy it once, and then install it on what ever you want. i cannot think of any software developer that does allow this. So i think your gripe is with software house's etc. not just microsoft.

I can`t think of anything else I`ve got here that I need to buy another copy of, or "mess about", in order to install it on another pc I have. That covers a hell of alot of the mainstream software houses, alot of whom would like me to put the original CD in the drive in order to play, if u like, as an example, - fine, but they`ve atleast allowed me to use it whereever I choose, as I wish. And of course this also allows me to sell the item on, as it`s mine, maybe it`s something I no longer use. How much does the pita turn into a full-on fight on phone when u buy a 2nd hand copy ? Don`t bother it`s fruitless.

They`re usually sold as "Windows XP OEM/Home/Pro/Retail - Single" as in single user. I`d prefer their single user to really mean ME.

My personal gripe is with m$ and their pursuit for $. I aint gonna talk about piracy, that`s too easy.

As far as `having` to buy a single copy for each pc, having known the company for upwards of 25 years, their strategy of "it`ll be a defense against piracy" is complete bs. Their strategy is, which has partially heard by the BG interviews in his vision of as many pcs in as many homes as possible, - hold on, if we make it so the mainstream of users can only use 1 copy on 1 pc, then we`re forcing more sales. The only way Mr & Mrs average with their 2/3 children, who`d probably average 3 pcs, can counter the need for that is to buy from the likes of PCWorld/Dell with their oem versions and all that comes with it. - how many people here can openly admit to suggesting or promoting people to buy that way ?

Single user versions and their whole ethos should be made illegal in themselves imo.

Having said that, if each copy was acceptably priced.. maybe not costing Mr & Mrs average $500 or so.

Yeah but they can make it a right royal pita to own it. I welcome the anti-piracy implimentations...good on them, they have a right to protect what's legally theirs.

My arguement is that once the box containing the cd & etc is in my hands as I`ve purchased it, it`s mine -like pretty much anything else u buy. Liscense schmiscence. Liscence is ok if after I`m finished wanting the product they agree to buy it back off me for a reasonable price as it`s useless.

 

[mrapoc]

i also dont like the really high priced programs, but they are necessary for your computer to work - meaning they know they can get away with it

 

[Rastalovich]

i also dont like the really high priced programs, but they are necessary for your computer to work - meaning they know they can get away with it

They`ve made sure of that over the years. Nice position to be in really.

 

[nathan]

I can`t think of anything else I`ve got here that I need to buy another copy of, or "mess about", in order to install it on another pc I have. That covers a hell of alot of the mainstream software houses, alot of whom would like me to put the original CD in the drive in order to play, if u like, as an example, - fine, but they`ve atleast allowed me to use it whereever I choose, as I wish. And of course this also allows me to sell the item on, as it`s mine, maybe it`s something I no longer use. How much does the pita turn into a full-on fight on phone when u buy a 2nd hand copy ? Don`t bother it`s fruitless.

They`re usually sold as "Windows XP OEM/Home/Pro/Retail - Single" as in single user. I`d prefer their single user to really mean ME.

My personal gripe is with m$ and their pursuit for $. I aint gonna talk about piracy, that`s too easy.

As far as `having` to buy a single copy for each pc, having known the company for upwards of 25 years, their strategy of "it`ll be a defense against piracy" is complete bs. Their strategy is, which has partially heard by the BG interviews in his vision of as many pcs in as many homes as possible, - hold on, if we make it so the mainstream of users can only use 1 copy on 1 pc, then we`re forcing more sales. The only way Mr & Mrs average with their 2/3 children, who`d probably average 3 pcs, can counter the need for that is to buy from the likes of PCWorld/Dell with their oem versions and all that comes with it. - how many people here can openly admit to suggesting or promoting people to buy that way ?

Single user versions and their whole ethos should be made illegal in themselves imo.

Having said that, if each copy was acceptably priced.. maybe not costing Mr & Mrs average $500 or so.

My arguement is that once the box containing the cd & etc is in my hands as I`ve purchased it, it`s mine -like pretty much anything else u buy. Liscense schmiscence. Liscence is ok if after I`m finished wanting the product they agree to buy it back off me for a reasonable price as it`s useless.

but windows is licensed, not sold, so you do not own it. How are they going to administer all the copies out there if it were sold, they do have a right to protect there stuff. i dont see a way to do it without a license. but thats just me.

 

[Rastalovich]

but windows is licensed, not sold, so you do not own it. How are they going to administer all the copies out there if it were sold, they do have a right to protect there stuff. i dont see a way to do it without a license. but thats just me.

So u can freely download it from m$ and buy a liscense ? The liscense is an eula surely ?

 

[nathan]

So u can freely download it from m$ and buy a liscense ? The liscense is an eula surely ?

3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold.

Above clearly states that is is licensed, not sold! was taken from the xp eula.

Link here > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/eula.mspx

 

[Rastalovich]

I don`t understand, I have a physical item in my hand.

All that means is that although u`ve bought the cd with the software on it, u do not own Windo$e, and u don`t own the software.

The same as if u buy C&C Generals, u do not own C&C Generals, u own a copy of it.

And it`s mine to use as I will

Let`s make this simple. U buy a Gfx card, u obviously don`t own the technology inside it, u just own the card. NVidia or Ati would be upset if u reverse read all the chips on the card, but hey.

 

[nathan]

I don`t understand, I have a physical item in my hand.

All that means is that although u`ve bought the cd with the software on it, u do not own Windo$e, and u don`t own the software.

The same as if u buy C&C Generals, u do not own C&C Generals, u own a copy of it.

And it`s mine to use as I will

Let`s make this simple. U buy a Gfx card, u obviously don`t own the technology inside it, u just own the card. NVidia or Ati would be upset if u reverse read all the chips on the card, but hey.

you have to try and think of, Your not paying for the media, your paying for erm, lets call it a "service" of using xp. bit like paying to go on a train or something. You have a train ticket in your hand, doesnt mean you own the train.

 

[Rastalovich]

you have to try and think of, Your not paying for the media, your paying for erm, lets call it a "service" of using xp. bit like paying to go on a train or something. You have a train ticket in your hand, doesnt mean you own the train.

I can sell my ticket, or even give it to some1, and even once I`ve used it it`s of no use to any1 including me lol

Yeah I think I know where u`r coming from m8y, but I think we`ve gotta agree to disagree prehaps

 

[nathan]

i'll agree to disagree, but i think we should take over the forum with this debate!!! j/k

 

[nawfal]

why is that harsh? i dont understand

if people are using piracy products, they shouldnt even be able to use anything

no matter what, msft cant stop piracy. they should save their money they spend on piracy, and make the product cheaper, i think this would encourage people to buy

 

[nathan]

i disagree, if ther product was cheaper, there would still be people using illgal copies. just take a look at the software available in places on the net. Some you can buy for like £10. people who use illgal copies of software dont giev a crap how much it is to buy, they only know one price, free!

 

[Rastalovich]

Ya it`s true, there would be a market for illegal free programs for certain people - if u kinda get what I mean.

In alot of people`s cases these days, the prices of the products are an irrelevance, and to be fair these people don`t `really` use the software they download - as an example u`ll find some1 with a 1000% legit OS purchase on a pc and 50million games, all but a handfull played 1ce. Then one weekend they select 49.75million of the games and hit Delete. Those they do keep, they order online from a retailer to play on with.

Kinda seems like a suck-it and see method lol - but I fully understand the logic myself. Any1 paying $50 for a game that in this day`n`age turns out to be toilet fodder is wasting their money big time.

But the prices being better, there would be less of it. Would never erradicate it tho.

What piracy denotes tho is some1 burning it to a CD/DVD, printing covers and selling it on. Outside of China, there isn`t a big market for it software wize.

 

[kawasakiguy37]

This girl in my dorm area wanted me to fix her computer the other day, she bought it from best buy and when she installed WGA it says its not "genuine". The funny thing is, its only saying this becuase she had to reformat twice.

Now, I wouldnt find this THAT annoying, but when you click on how to fix the problem, you have to click through about 10 million steps before they give you a phone number or an email where you can resolve it....yet on the very first page, the HUGE main way to fix it is to pay microsoft 150 for a new key

Totally lame

 

[nathan]

This girl in my dorm area wanted me to fix her computer the other day, she bought it from best buy and when she installed WGA it says its not "genuine". The funny thing is, its only saying this becuase she had to reformat twice.

Now, I wouldnt find this THAT annoying, but when you click on how to fix the problem, you have to click through about 10 million steps before they give you a phone number or an email where you can resolve it....yet on the very first page, the HUGE main way to fix it is to pay microsoft 150 for a new key

Totally lame

you have to look at the odds, they going to get more people looking at that screen with either, an illigal copy or through error. Know which one i'm going for.

 

[Rastalovich]

Every "help" forum u goto, wave after wave of users are advised to reformat, even more so on the less technical ones, gotta be millions of users a week/month.

I`d charge 10¢ a call and get rich off it

 

[nathan]

sounds like good business sense to me