WYP
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Sony wanted to keep Bethesda games off Xbox, so Microsoft bought Bethesda.
Read more about the reason behind Microsoft's Bethesda acquisition.
Read more about the reason behind Microsoft's Bethesda acquisition.
Microsoft acquired Bethesda after hearing that Starfield was going to be PlayStation
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NeverBackDown
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Only proves Sony's point it's only going to hurt the console ecosystem. MS from day one has moved the idea in court it's not aimed at hurting Sony. Doesn't look good for them.
Sony sells more. Developer's prioritize the bigger market. Xbox screwed themselves with the awful Xbox One. From that point on they sealed their fate. Sony doesn't need to pay many developers anything.
Xbox could instead produce quality games like Sony. Most of their exclusives are in house made. They can only produce a good racing game these days.
Sony sells more. Developer's prioritize the bigger market. Xbox screwed themselves with the awful Xbox One. From that point on they sealed their fate. Sony doesn't need to pay many developers anything.
Xbox could instead produce quality games like Sony. Most of their exclusives are in house made. They can only produce a good racing game these days.
I strongly disagree! The way I see it, Microsoft is defending themselves, Sony is the one who started just gobbling up thir party games and that's what have actually hurt the console "ecosystem" now Microsoft is literally forced to defend themselves by doing this which, yes, means it will get worse, but still that's like emitting 90% of the total carbon dioxide emissions on the history of humanity and then, now blaming small countries for global warming and requiring them to reduce their emissions. Doesn't work that way.
I think this should go to Microsoft and I don't think honestly it will be all that bad, if anything it will encourage even more competition.
AlienALX
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Yeah I agree. Sounds like sour grapes from Sony, who had loads of their own exclusives and IP for years and years.
Whichever way you slice it this game is a big deal. Skyrim and Fallout are two of the biggest selling game series in history.
Now what I don't like is how they have shoved up the cost of the Xbox. It just seems so deliberate. That said as long as a 2080Ti can run it OK on my TV rig I am happy, and for what they want for an Xbox now I could get a newer much faster GPU so either way I will be getting it.
NeverBackDown
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Heavily disagree. Sony and MS both have IP and exclusives. MS produces trash, Sony does not.
That is not an argument for allowing MS to buy out all others. Sony does not buy many exclusives, they don't need to. MS struggle to bring partners because they have a small ecosystem of which they themselves are to blame for releasing consoles nobody wants. How is that Sony's fault?
Virtually all major games release on both. The attraction of buying a PS is because they have amazing exclusives. You get a better experience.
MS cant do anything but rely on their bank account. They aren't a gaming company. Sony is. This is the reason for the major disparity. Heck Nintendo isn't even in the same traditional market and still does better than MS.
Anyone who argued against this clearly does NOT remember PS3 vs Xbox 360. It was PERFECT for competition. Exclusives got you to buy one over the other. You were effectively choosing a side and locking yourself into Sony or MS. You had no choice. And some of the best games they have ever released came out during those days. Every IP was great and pushed them to deliver better and better. MS couldn't keep up in the long run once the Xbone released.
That is not an argument for allowing MS to buy out all others. Sony does not buy many exclusives, they don't need to. MS struggle to bring partners because they have a small ecosystem of which they themselves are to blame for releasing consoles nobody wants. How is that Sony's fault?
Virtually all major games release on both. The attraction of buying a PS is because they have amazing exclusives. You get a better experience.
MS cant do anything but rely on their bank account. They aren't a gaming company. Sony is. This is the reason for the major disparity. Heck Nintendo isn't even in the same traditional market and still does better than MS.
Anyone who argued against this clearly does NOT remember PS3 vs Xbox 360. It was PERFECT for competition. Exclusives got you to buy one over the other. You were effectively choosing a side and locking yourself into Sony or MS. You had no choice. And some of the best games they have ever released came out during those days. Every IP was great and pushed them to deliver better and better. MS couldn't keep up in the long run once the Xbone released.
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Note that my comment was limited to talking about third party games, I do recognize the fact that Microsoft has bad exclusives is their own fault, including the death of the halo franchise, not that they don't have Forza and Flight Simulator but those don't fall under the top most popular game genres out there.
But Sony has always made deals with Square Enix to limit releases on Xbox, and they've been doing this more and more in the last few years. Microsoft, the way I see it, they just gave up on developing good FP games and started making deals with TP developers for Game Pass releases which I think it's great! It provides developers with funding which is especially important for indie developers and gives you an incentive to be on Xbox instead of Playstation but don't exclude Playstation owners either. And what did Sony do to that? Timed exclusives, and TP exclusives, so now Microsoft really has to compete on that, they can't afford not to, and since they are incapable of making good games, their only option is to buy proven TP studios and make then FP.
It's not like Microsoft is pioneering that either, Sony has been gobbling up studios here and there over the years as well, Microsoft is simply becoming a more active player and Sony is becoming annoyed by that, they wanted Microsoft to just be quiet and die slowly out of air.
NeverBackDown
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Both parties do it. That's the thing. Sony also makes good games. So it seems unfair.
Sony and Square Enix have a partnership which took 2 parties to commit to. MS here is trying to buy a VAST majority of gaming content that far outpaces anything Sony has done combined to date. Final Fantasy is no where close to popularity as any of the purposed purchase will be/are. COD alone is the biggest franchise in the world.
All I'm saying is buying a literal corner of the gaming market because they don't know how to make their own games or make any sort of partnerships is quite the stretch to believe it's a good thing. Roles could be reversed and I'd say the same thing. I don't like it for PC either. Everything has to be Steam and there's no room for innovation. We are at their mercy. Luckily they are not evil...
To put it into perspective it's akin to AMD vs Nvidia. MS is AMD. Sony is Nvidia.
Imagine AMD spending their money to effectively buy out games. Only works for their GPUs forever. Just like IP games are but unlike timed exclusives. You could say goodbye to CSGO the PC CoD equal (popularity wise) as an example. People would rage. It's the same MS is doing. Much worse than wait 6-12 months for the game for games that aren't even really that big in terms of popularity.
Sony and Square Enix have a partnership which took 2 parties to commit to. MS here is trying to buy a VAST majority of gaming content that far outpaces anything Sony has done combined to date. Final Fantasy is no where close to popularity as any of the purposed purchase will be/are. COD alone is the biggest franchise in the world.
All I'm saying is buying a literal corner of the gaming market because they don't know how to make their own games or make any sort of partnerships is quite the stretch to believe it's a good thing. Roles could be reversed and I'd say the same thing. I don't like it for PC either. Everything has to be Steam and there's no room for innovation. We are at their mercy. Luckily they are not evil...
To put it into perspective it's akin to AMD vs Nvidia. MS is AMD. Sony is Nvidia.
Imagine AMD spending their money to effectively buy out games. Only works for their GPUs forever. Just like IP games are but unlike timed exclusives. You could say goodbye to CSGO the PC CoD equal (popularity wise) as an example. People would rage. It's the same MS is doing. Much worse than wait 6-12 months for the game for games that aren't even really that big in terms of popularity.
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KingNosser
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Makes no difference to me i'm PC all the exclusives come to PC in time look at the PS5 pretty much everything is on or coming to PC MS with gamepass means all there stuff comes as well.
They will both spin it either way neither of them want to be 2nd best, the funny thing is Nintendo seem to be doing fine with there age old switch and no one is even bringing them into the conversation.
IMHO so long as safe gaurds are in place for jobs studios etc then what does it matter who owns what in truth, would you like it if you wanted to buy a car but you were told you couldn't as your next door peeps would feel bad about it, it's always about money and the fact it's been going on for over a year now imo means it's already pretty much decided they just want to make the optics look better.
Sony is not hard done by in this in any way, they are just trying to defend there segment in the market and might i add doing there best to force it to stop with no care other than themselves.
it's biz but in truth I don't care i'm on PC give the games to us i dont care if i wait 6-12 months +12 months for exclusive deals on epic do what you like, i'll still get them games as regardless of what most think PC is now the main platform for many companys Capcom being an example.
in truth if you were to say both wanted to buy blizzard i'd say MS had more rights to it given they are a somewhat PC focus company, bethsada imho was a bad deal at a huge price sure others think differently but i'd not buy them and starfield while it will sell like hot cakes or not due to gamepass i feel will be an average game.
Sony I think simply realise that if the tit for tat buyouts continue they can't compete in any way at all and so will do anything say anything to force MS to not be able too, even when it doesnt effect them or that they even care, they just don't want the competion which lets face it is just biz.
They will both spin it either way neither of them want to be 2nd best, the funny thing is Nintendo seem to be doing fine with there age old switch and no one is even bringing them into the conversation.
IMHO so long as safe gaurds are in place for jobs studios etc then what does it matter who owns what in truth, would you like it if you wanted to buy a car but you were told you couldn't as your next door peeps would feel bad about it, it's always about money and the fact it's been going on for over a year now imo means it's already pretty much decided they just want to make the optics look better.
Sony is not hard done by in this in any way, they are just trying to defend there segment in the market and might i add doing there best to force it to stop with no care other than themselves.
it's biz but in truth I don't care i'm on PC give the games to us i dont care if i wait 6-12 months +12 months for exclusive deals on epic do what you like, i'll still get them games as regardless of what most think PC is now the main platform for many companys Capcom being an example.
in truth if you were to say both wanted to buy blizzard i'd say MS had more rights to it given they are a somewhat PC focus company, bethsada imho was a bad deal at a huge price sure others think differently but i'd not buy them and starfield while it will sell like hot cakes or not due to gamepass i feel will be an average game.
Sony I think simply realise that if the tit for tat buyouts continue they can't compete in any way at all and so will do anything say anything to force MS to not be able too, even when it doesnt effect them or that they even care, they just don't want the competion which lets face it is just biz.
Microsoft was not known for doing that, they have made contracts for developers tk make games for Xbox in the past like Halo that was originally done by bungir, but Microsoft was not one to be buying uo studios all around and turning their games into Xbox FP games, they usually made their own studios, like 343i, Sony on the other hand indeed was one to be buying studios left and right and most of what is Sony's FP studios today used to be independent developers once.
I honestly think they didn't buy Square simply because it would be too expensive for them.
And think about it we are only seeing Microsoft be aggressive now, after Sony aggressively cornered them, no they didn't use to turn popular games into exclusives, even the ones they invested mkoney in, see A plague tale for example, heavily funded by Microsoft, day one on gamepass, still, dayg one on PS5 as well.
Yes, now they are actually doing that but can we blame them? And will this acquisition kill gaming or the console market? No it won't no one will die because they can't play COD on they Playstation, in fact, most likelly the COD franchise will die because Microsoft won't be able to handle things, but that's OK, there will be other games to take it's place, but yeah, now Microsoft is just as ty as Sony, Hellblade 2 is a TP game that will be an Xbox exclusive they're playing Sony's game now and they need tkk catch up with them in studio acquisition that they are far behind, so let them buy Activision, it will not turn Microsoft into the gaming monopoly, it will just levem the playing field, and if Sony will be butthurt by that, I guess they should have tought of that before cornering a rat with such deep pockets like Microsoft.
Sony is too proud and greedy, they need to learn lessons anyways so let it be now. I mean, look at how long it took them to finally develop games for PC, and it only happened because Microsoft it putting pressure on them, otherwise they wouldn't, they the ones that say: Our platform is the utmost gaming experience, you need our console, our controllers, our TVs, our plastic boxes and servers to play games, if you don't have that then you just can't play.
Remember that had a streaming service since the PS4 and you could play Sony's games on PC with it? But you needed they controller because they locked any other controller, and somehow they would try to convince you that was a superior gaming experience than to simply have the games run natively on PC with the preferred method of input of the individual.
Really Sony has been the bad guy all along and if Microsoft wants to play on equal terms now I have no problem with it. As long as games are releasing on PC from both companies all is good. I really don't agree that this acquisition will be at all bad for the gaming market. As I've said, it will in fact, spark more competition instead.
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KingNosser
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Already played through that ages ago, do have a PS4 but i'll not be buying a console anytime soon, already sold the PS4 games as well just the digital stuff left, but saying that GoT is an okay game it's not a masterpiece it's just an okay game, it's nice too look at in places.
There are games i can live without even the stella ones, it's not like there is a shortage of games on PC or even good games there is plenty to go round.
The whole idea that oh it's the latest thing get a console to play it is keeping up with the jones, even when GTAVI is out i'll not be buying a console.
Most games are average but the mass population will tell you it's the best game ever then 2-3 weeks later it's forgotten about i.e not by any means a masterpiece, very good games are few and far between.
There are games i can live without even the stella ones, it's not like there is a shortage of games on PC or even good games there is plenty to go round.
The whole idea that oh it's the latest thing get a console to play it is keeping up with the jones, even when GTAVI is out i'll not be buying a console.
Most games are average but the mass population will tell you it's the best game ever then 2-3 weeks later it's forgotten about i.e not by any means a masterpiece, very good games are few and far between.
AlienALX
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KingNosser
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Weird had email from AMD talking about starfield and how they are exclusive partner with that game click on video for mr todd bullshizzle and it's set to private someone jumped the gun on that it seems lol
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