akumaburn
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Double the memory bandwidth and 45% more Shaders than a 290x..
Whilst the Titan X is only ~27% faster than an OCed 980.
How can it not be faster than a Titan X is the question?
It looks like AMD's upcoming flagship, the R9 390X will be in short Supply at launch
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Double the memory bandwidth and 45% more Shaders than a 290x..
Whilst the Titan X is only ~27% faster than an OCed 980.
How can it not be faster than a Titan X is the question?
Dicehunter
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Could just be on par with a Titan X as remember we're still on 28nm so I don't expect huge gains.
akumaburn
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Die shrinks are a very small source of speed improvement compared to the architectural changes.
28nm or not, you cannot add 45% more shaders than a 290x and double the memory bandwidth and expect it to be be just 27% faster than a 980 OC.
It will beat it, only question is if that will be by ~5-10% or by 15%+
Assuming of course they didn't run into any clocking issues with the HBM.
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Doomslayer
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I think it will be 3/4 the price tho
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
True but I don't know, It would be good to see it shoot passed the TX but if the price rumour is correct then Nvidia have to have something up their sleeves because charging a metric ton more for just 4GB of memory no one in their right mind could justify.
Early Volta announcement perhaps as a counter ?
They will definitely try and bring it in at around £650 but it's got to be pretty special to justify itself over an 8GB 290X. AMD have trapped themself in a corner with pricing but nVidia definitely aren't a threat.
JR
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If they don't mess up the launch (like they did last time) they could do well from this as there are still quite a few people with 7xx gpus (and some lower end AMD gpus) still around.
All they need to do (if the card is good) is to launch with non reference cards as well. I personally feel that Sapphire single handedly saved the 290/290x from being a total flop as they were the first ones who managed to cool the chips well.
Pretty sure they learnt their lessons though.
All they need to do (if the card is good) is to launch with non reference cards as well. I personally feel that Sapphire single handedly saved the 290/290x from being a total flop as they were the first ones who managed to cool the chips well.
Pretty sure they learnt their lessons though.
Doomslayer
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One can only hope
I still wouldn't buy a Sapphire, they need the Lightning. That's what i'll be waiting for, 2 or 3 or 4 of those puppies! I hope they have heat problems and a massive appetite for power, they won't when i'm done
There is nothing about the 9 series that makes me want to replace my 780's/780Ti.
JR
barnsley
born in a.....
I still wouldn't buy a Sapphire, they need the Lightning. That's what i'll be waiting for, 2 or 3 or 4 of those puppies! I hope they have heat problems and a massive appetite for power, they won't when i'm done
There is nothing about the 9 series that makes me want to replace my 780's/780Ti.
JR
I dunno man, one of the best cards I've ever played with is a Sapphire 290x vapor X. Well built, very quiet, clocked well and (very importantly) it didn't whine! Just a shame that its blue.
If XFX manage to make a great looking card that doesn't cook itself I'd be tempted too. MSI are probably going to be able to make a good set of cards too. I'm not too confident with Asus considering what they did with the 290/290x.
MrKambo
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I've seen them in person but not 'used' one. I wouldn't ever buy one as they just look spasticated, I really don't like the retarded PCB shape either. It looks stupid when blocked and it's not pretty enough on air. Lightning quality and presentation is formidable.
JR
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Think we can all agree they can't screw this up and the price needs to be right. If they do release 4/8GB versions then i can't see the 8 being more than $650.. That's pushing it to but i'm giving them that since they may be having yield issues. The 4 version shouldn't be more than $500. It should price like a 980 and it should beat it. I'm hoping for a 390x that's on par with a TX as a minimum. It shouldn't be to hard to do so. Plus with DX12, the GCN architecture is better suited for it than Nvidia's from what i have read. Which explains why many games prefer Nvidia now than AMD because Nvidia has made it far better at DX11, mainly tesselation. Either way whatever the case may be, we need it to be on par with the TX. If not then i can see many people starting to think AMD has completely fallen behind and its due to the financial woes.
akumaburn
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I actually expect the 380x to launch before the 390x does, if history's any indication.
Though they will need a quick smooth well priced/targeted release if they are to fill in the gap till Pascal arrives in 06.
AMD has traditionally waited far too long to get its cards out, they essentially blow any advantages they may of had by delaying their releases further than they need to.
Fact is when Pascal arrives in Q1 of 2016, Nvidia will have an answer for the 300 series...but until then they will sit as kings of their respective price/performance brackets and that is the time when AMD needs to rake in as much cash as they can.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
If the 390X is really going to overtake the TX then Nvidia have to come out with something a lot sooner and if the price rumour is correct no one in their right mind would spend £300 more on the TX for less performance but 4GB extra memory.
Maybe this is the year that Nvidia fall behind.
akumaburn
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I think it is very likely that they will fall behind this year. They had a generational advantage but they blew it when Kepler took an extra generation to actually come out.. and now Maxwell has come but is already about to be out of date, and they have no answer for the HBM GCN combo till 2016.
They can't rush themselves either because Nvidia will be doing Pascal on 16nm HBM vs 28nm HBM on the AMD cards.
AMD has volume production ready on a proven process node.. Nvidia is experimenting.. and depending on how the yields turn out.. they may have to delay even further.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Rumor has it they will all release at the same time.. the full lineup.
They need to release this asap yes..
AMD hasn't really ever waited to long. 7xxx cards came out first and then after that they been way to slow. So really just 2 generations since 2012 i believe..
Price performance currently is still in the hands of AMD. A 290x is faster and cheaper than a 970. Its just after that Nvidia has the crown. HBM 2 is already being worked on and with AMD helping developing it, next year they should be able to get better yields than Nvidia can as you said with an unproven node.
akumaburn
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The 6XXX series also released later than it should have(the Nvidia cards were out a few months after if I'm not mistaken).
Yes.. and I believe that to be the best course of action. Let Nvidia blow all their money on trying to make 16nm work, perfect the architecture on 28nm.. and then when Nvidia come out with pascal, Bam free die shrink for AMD (since they both use TSMC as their foundry).
It's ironic really as AMD is usually the one leading the process node.
