NeverBackDown
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I'm disappointed in Ampere in general so far. So you're not alone
AMD's RX 6900 XT will reportedly be "AMD Exclusive" at launch
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I'm disappointed in Ampere in general so far. So you're not alone
Dawelio
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Thought it was obvious. 3090 performance over a 3080 for double the cost.
Dawelio
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Yeah, that I'm aware of... I was mostly referring to regarding the whole Ampere lineup part.
looz
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I don't know why Ampere would be disappointing in general, it's a decent upgrade performance wise and has reasonable MSRP... Though I wonder how long it'll take for supply to pick up so that prices settle back down.
It's not quite as huge a leap as Nvidia likes to tell in marketing since they focus on best case scenarios, and they're shipping with clocks way past peak efficiency resulting in stagnation in perf per watt. So it's far from perfect. In addition 10GB VRAM is deemed low, even if there's no evidence of it becoming a hindrance.
But it's sensible to wait for what AMD has to offer before making decisions - especially with the current pricing and availability.
It's not quite as huge a leap as Nvidia likes to tell in marketing since they focus on best case scenarios, and they're shipping with clocks way past peak efficiency resulting in stagnation in perf per watt. So it's far from perfect. In addition 10GB VRAM is deemed low, even if there's no evidence of it becoming a hindrance.
But it's sensible to wait for what AMD has to offer before making decisions - especially with the current pricing and availability.
More to do with the launch, availability, performance being only 30% when comparing model to model, 3090 less than 10% over a 3080, and the cost being disgusting and lastly, 3080 only getting 10gb (fine by me but many are up in arms about it).
With most people, it seems availability is the main complaint. Our local Canada Computers has barely seen ANY 3080s or 3090s. They got ONE 3090 in by accident, by surprise, with no paperwork (lulz). Put it on the shelves at $2299CDN and it was gone in 15 minutes. If AMD actually has cards *available* when these things launch, it will be a huge improvement, LOL!
Oh and I'm a day one buyer of the 6900XT / whatever the top AMD card is. I'll even do in-store pre-order to make sure I get one. I'm skipping green team for now, since I have enough GPUs. But my Radeon VII has shown me that AMD *can* do something good, *IF* they get their poop together. It will still need a water block, but I will Heatkiller the thing as soon as blocks are available. I have a good feeling about this one for some weird reason, can't wait!
Oh and I'm a day one buyer of the 6900XT / whatever the top AMD card is. I'll even do in-store pre-order to make sure I get one. I'm skipping green team for now, since I have enough GPUs. But my Radeon VII has shown me that AMD *can* do something good, *IF* they get their poop together. It will still need a water block, but I will Heatkiller the thing as soon as blocks are available. I have a good feeling about this one for some weird reason, can't wait!
AlienALX
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Lack of availability.
Cost (the real cost of the good cards)
Crashes, because of the next one
Cards being on the ragged edge with hardly anything (if anything) left in the tank for overclocking
Poor jump over Turing (which was even worse because it was rebadged Pascal) and terrible power consumption making it actually worse than Fermi.
Lots and lots of BS.
Handing out plenty of review cards to all of the people that "matter" on YT meaning you have to sit and watch weeks and weeks of 30 series content including them competing and running 3090 SLi against each other.
Are what ruined it for me. And the fact they got some people very excited and then said maybe next year they will have more cards.
Cost (the real cost of the good cards)
Crashes, because of the next one
Cards being on the ragged edge with hardly anything (if anything) left in the tank for overclocking
Poor jump over Turing (which was even worse because it was rebadged Pascal) and terrible power consumption making it actually worse than Fermi.
Lots and lots of BS.
Handing out plenty of review cards to all of the people that "matter" on YT meaning you have to sit and watch weeks and weeks of 30 series content including them competing and running 3090 SLi against each other.
Are what ruined it for me. And the fact they got some people very excited and then said maybe next year they will have more cards.
KingNosser
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For me it's marketing and power draw of the cards my main issues, but the 3rd really annoying issue for me is that stupid 12pin connector slap bang in the middle of the card like a huge sore thumb.
I'm really looking forward to next wednesday i'm thinking the 6800 might be enough for me but depending on prices maybe i'll go higher model, but at least the lowest end 16gb card. I just hope the prices are decent.
Nvidia should be very concerened if AMD do as good as they can in normal areas, they will take market share these cards are going to be far better than most people would expect given AMD's recent past, if they have supply well demand is very much there.
Oddly I just the other day got invited to Nvidias advisory panel all about data collection surveys and such i've been pretty hard on their cards last month or so, mainly power custom 500watt bios's to me do not sound good at all but maybe fine for LN2 people.
less than a week to wait to get all the info, i don't normally preorder games haven't for many years but i caved in ordered cyberpunk 2077 so even if i don't have a new card i'll at least not miss out on the main reason I want a card the game
I'm really looking forward to next wednesday i'm thinking the 6800 might be enough for me but depending on prices maybe i'll go higher model, but at least the lowest end 16gb card. I just hope the prices are decent.
Nvidia should be very concerened if AMD do as good as they can in normal areas, they will take market share these cards are going to be far better than most people would expect given AMD's recent past, if they have supply well demand is very much there.
Oddly I just the other day got invited to Nvidias advisory panel all about data collection surveys and such i've been pretty hard on their cards last month or so, mainly power custom 500watt bios's to me do not sound good at all but maybe fine for LN2 people.
less than a week to wait to get all the info, i don't normally preorder games haven't for many years but i caved in ordered cyberpunk 2077 so even if i don't have a new card i'll at least not miss out on the main reason I want a card the game
AlienALX
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Put it this way. I reckon the 3070 has had it. Like, totally going to be smashed to hell.
Even if AMD's fastest card is "as fast"* as the 3080 as "promised"? then their 3070 competitor is going to annihilate the 3070. Why? it will be cheaper, probably cooler, probably use less power *and* it will have double the VRAM. Or even in the very least 12gb.
*in everything but RT. Maybe.
Higher power draw bioses are good for those on water tbh. However, the gains are usually not worth voiding the warranty on your card over. Don't knock that though, because for years Nvidia disabled all of that and it made very nice high end cards a total waste of time and money. Which is sad, because it is nice to see manus competing against each other to make complete animal cards, even if they are not your usual buy.
But yes, those uber high end cards are absolutely lovely if you can afford to buy one. When Nvidia derped the voltage controls a lot of them disappeared, which made me very sad.
As for pre ordering digital product? NEVER EVER EVER EVER do that. There will never be a shortage of digital product not ever, and the game may be as buggy as all hell when it launches. Meaning you could wait for it to be fixed and at which point save £15 or so.
I will never again even try playing a bugged launch at the time of release. I will never forget putting 30 hours into FONV, then finding out there was a bug that could not be fixed (something to do with ED vanishing and thus you could not complete the game properly) and you had no option but to start again. Other bugs could be fixed yourself (but only on PC) but that was a game breaking save wrecking bug.
And look, I am the total D head who pre ordered FO76 and paid £170 odd quid for it. Use me as an example, don't be a muppet.
I don't buy games now unless I need them. And what I mean is, when I have nothing else at all to play that I like. Right now I am about 20 hours into SOTTR and I am loving it, that is how far behind I am. That is why I didn't buy Tony Hawk yet, as all I will do is pay £50 for a game that by the time I need it will cost £20.
Even if AMD's fastest card is "as fast"* as the 3080 as "promised"? then their 3070 competitor is going to annihilate the 3070. Why? it will be cheaper, probably cooler, probably use less power *and* it will have double the VRAM. Or even in the very least 12gb.
*in everything but RT. Maybe.
Higher power draw bioses are good for those on water tbh. However, the gains are usually not worth voiding the warranty on your card over. Don't knock that though, because for years Nvidia disabled all of that and it made very nice high end cards a total waste of time and money. Which is sad, because it is nice to see manus competing against each other to make complete animal cards, even if they are not your usual buy.
But yes, those uber high end cards are absolutely lovely if you can afford to buy one. When Nvidia derped the voltage controls a lot of them disappeared, which made me very sad.
As for pre ordering digital product? NEVER EVER EVER EVER do that. There will never be a shortage of digital product not ever, and the game may be as buggy as all hell when it launches. Meaning you could wait for it to be fixed and at which point save £15 or so.
I will never again even try playing a bugged launch at the time of release. I will never forget putting 30 hours into FONV, then finding out there was a bug that could not be fixed (something to do with ED vanishing and thus you could not complete the game properly) and you had no option but to start again. Other bugs could be fixed yourself (but only on PC) but that was a game breaking save wrecking bug.
And look, I am the total D head who pre ordered FO76 and paid £170 odd quid for it. Use me as an example, don't be a muppet.
I don't buy games now unless I need them. And what I mean is, when I have nothing else at all to play that I like. Right now I am about 20 hours into SOTTR and I am loving it, that is how far behind I am. That is why I didn't buy Tony Hawk yet, as all I will do is pay £50 for a game that by the time I need it will cost £20.
KingNosser
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Well CP2077 is an exception for me, as I've waited for it since they announced it that's almost 8 years ago now, only other game I'm waiting on now for an EU release is Lost Ark Online, i can't even remember the last preorder i done I'm normally dead against it anyway.
As For the 3070 it'll get beaten, as will the rest of the 3000 series, cause even if they trade blows it's not only about winning on performance if they win on other factors, price, ram, heat, power, then it will just make Nvidia look less appealing.
Nvidia might be slightly ahead on DXR but it is slightly your not talking about a huge gap, dlss everyone is screaming about it, amd is bound to have something, but personally I'd rather have raw performance in 4k than some upscaled stuff but tbh it doesn't matter to me i'm still on 1080p and perfectly happy until the monitor breaks
Thing is as it stands right now, my whole house uses less than 600 watts in my normal useage with the PC on few lights ect nothing major unless i use the microwave kettle ect, I personally would never run a card that uses 500watts, 350 max for me tbh.
FO76 oh the meme that keeps on giving, i happily avoided that shizzle
As For the 3070 it'll get beaten, as will the rest of the 3000 series, cause even if they trade blows it's not only about winning on performance if they win on other factors, price, ram, heat, power, then it will just make Nvidia look less appealing.
Nvidia might be slightly ahead on DXR but it is slightly your not talking about a huge gap, dlss everyone is screaming about it, amd is bound to have something, but personally I'd rather have raw performance in 4k than some upscaled stuff but tbh it doesn't matter to me i'm still on 1080p and perfectly happy until the monitor breaks
Thing is as it stands right now, my whole house uses less than 600 watts in my normal useage with the PC on few lights ect nothing major unless i use the microwave kettle ect, I personally would never run a card that uses 500watts, 350 max for me tbh.
FO76 oh the meme that keeps on giving, i happily avoided that shizzle
AlienALX
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Trust me when I say this DLSS really is all that.
It is, it's amazing. For any one who actually plays games and doesn't continually stop switching modes to spot the miniscule differences? it's all that. It makes the unplayable totally playable. That is a serious feat. In fact, I would argue it's now one of the best features any one has ever made on a GPU. Ever.
If it weren't for DLSS? I would still be using my Titan XP. No doubt at all. The fact I have three rigs with three GPUs made by a manufacturer I hate must say something.
Right now at this very minute? AMD might get away with being a bit crap at it. But I can assure you this will become a standard. Simply as it makes games much better than they were, and stops the PC crawling at 4k. Raw performance doesn't matter squat if it's not enough.
Turing had a few new features. If you used them? you could excuse the poor raw performance upgrade from Pascal.
But yeah, many things Nvidia have done (like Fast Sync, Adaptive Vsync) and etc have often gone unnoticed and people don't even know how good they are and were. Mostly all people care about is raw gaming performance, whilst robbing themselves of extremely useful features. If you bought the wrong monitor and you are screwed both of the above come in extremely handy.
But DLSS? it's a total game changer. Especially at higher resolutions, where you normally got a year out of a card at 4k at best and had no change from £1300.
However I am not counting out AMD because usually their features are even better than Nvidia's. DSR was fantastic, VSR on AMD was every bit as good. Freesync has now been totally hijacked by Nvidia but AMD made it, and their API was s**t hot too. It led onto Vulkan.
Tress FX was much better than Hairworks, and didn't totally sap performance like Hairworks did. If AMD can knuckle down now and stop playing with consoles (literally) then I am sure they will come up with something every bit as good or better (like their sharpening thing that peed all over Nvidia's pathetic attempt). In fact, Nvidia have a track record for making useless gaming features that absolutely destroy performance. Who can ever forget GameDoesn'tWorks (TM).? it was total sh....
It is, it's amazing. For any one who actually plays games and doesn't continually stop switching modes to spot the miniscule differences? it's all that. It makes the unplayable totally playable. That is a serious feat. In fact, I would argue it's now one of the best features any one has ever made on a GPU. Ever.
If it weren't for DLSS? I would still be using my Titan XP. No doubt at all. The fact I have three rigs with three GPUs made by a manufacturer I hate must say something.
Right now at this very minute? AMD might get away with being a bit crap at it. But I can assure you this will become a standard. Simply as it makes games much better than they were, and stops the PC crawling at 4k. Raw performance doesn't matter squat if it's not enough.
Turing had a few new features. If you used them? you could excuse the poor raw performance upgrade from Pascal.
But yeah, many things Nvidia have done (like Fast Sync, Adaptive Vsync) and etc have often gone unnoticed and people don't even know how good they are and were. Mostly all people care about is raw gaming performance, whilst robbing themselves of extremely useful features. If you bought the wrong monitor and you are screwed both of the above come in extremely handy.
But DLSS? it's a total game changer. Especially at higher resolutions, where you normally got a year out of a card at 4k at best and had no change from £1300.
However I am not counting out AMD because usually their features are even better than Nvidia's. DSR was fantastic, VSR on AMD was every bit as good. Freesync has now been totally hijacked by Nvidia but AMD made it, and their API was s**t hot too. It led onto Vulkan.
Tress FX was much better than Hairworks, and didn't totally sap performance like Hairworks did. If AMD can knuckle down now and stop playing with consoles (literally) then I am sure they will come up with something every bit as good or better (like their sharpening thing that peed all over Nvidia's pathetic attempt). In fact, Nvidia have a track record for making useless gaming features that absolutely destroy performance. Who can ever forget GameDoesn'tWorks (TM).? it was total sh....
KingNosser
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Well dlss isn't a deal breaker for me, AMD will have something i'd expect and like they say their is more than one way to skin a cat, meaning there are many ways to get to the same result. Just happens that Nvidia have done it via AI doesn't mean there isnt another way around it. Your very right about AMD generally having done more recently with the different techs and api's thou. AMD does generally have better clarity and colour accuracy than Nvidia's one of the main things I've noticed when using their cards over the years.
Thou i do remember hearing about streaming elements relating to Navi not sure if that will happen this time around or if Navi 3x but basically downloading caculated results when needed, kinda like a cloud sync element.
The consoles will be AMD's focus still but in general it's not a bad thing that consoles are more like PC's now it's not like it will make PC's worse when the cards we use will be stronger.
Big Navi thou is good for all of us and I fully expect it too cause headaches for Nvidia.
Thou i do remember hearing about streaming elements relating to Navi not sure if that will happen this time around or if Navi 3x but basically downloading caculated results when needed, kinda like a cloud sync element.
The consoles will be AMD's focus still but in general it's not a bad thing that consoles are more like PC's now it's not like it will make PC's worse when the cards we use will be stronger.
Big Navi thou is good for all of us and I fully expect it too cause headaches for Nvidia.
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