Intel's soldered i9-9900K can offer improved thermal performance though deliding
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Dicehunter
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Intel should really sit down with people like Der8auer and take notes because as of right now they seem to keep messing up.
Avet
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Problem is they don't care. ASUS does work with der8auer, EVGA works with Kingpin, and Buildzoid, because they compete for the best overclocking motherboard. Intel at the extreme level doesn't compete with anyone. Like Nvidia they can do whatever they want, they can charge whatever they want, and they will sell everything they make because they don't have competition.
They have sold CPUs with toothpaste for years. People bought them, and voided their warranty the second they delidded them. Because they can.
RTX 2080 Ti is 1200+ Euro for fck sake, and they are sold out. Intel can't make enough 8700K to meet the demand.
Because when no common reason, or money are considered, and you want the best you have only one choice, and the competition is nowhere to be seen.
Edit: They didn't solder CPUs because people asked for solder... Lol no. They soldered them because of necessity. You wouldn't be able to achieve 5GHz with toothpaste on 9900K. 8700K you can run on 5.1 without delid. It will be on the edge of thermal throttle but achievable. 9900K without solder has no chance.
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Dicehunter
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Well as of last week I'm on an all AMD rig, No more Intel or Nvidia for me for the foreseeable future.
NeverBackDown
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They know how to do it they've done it before. They only care about money and marketing
AlienALX
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Intel have never given a single toss about their user base. They know what is best, every time. You may as well pee in the wind than offer them any advice. Look how long they put toothpaste on their CPUs and the uproar it caused.
They only soldered this one because they knew without it? the 2700x would probably be a lot closer than it is now.
The funny part is that clock for clock I reckon the AMD might actually be quicker, but 4.3ghz.
Hoping they can edge toward 4.6 or so with the next gen. That will reaaaaaaally even the tables.
i really don´t know what to think.... TTL said the 9900k temps are under control (around 80 degrees celsius when OC).
other reviewers report about 100°C when overclocked and cooled with a noctua.
around 90°c when cooled with a Corsair H115i PRO.
that is not under control in my book.....
did TTL test with AVX load?
tomshardware about Leakage at different temperatures but same load
other reviewers report about 100°C when overclocked and cooled with a noctua.
around 90°c when cooled with a Corsair H115i PRO.
that is not under control in my book.....
did TTL test with AVX load?
tomshardware about Leakage at different temperatures but same load
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AlienALX
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i really don´t know what to think.... TTL said the 9900k temps are under control (around 80 degrees celsius when OC).
other reviewers report about 100°C when overclocked and cooled with a noctua.
around 90°c when cooled with a Corsair H115i PRO.
that is not under control in my book.....
There will definitely be a luck lottery on them, that is for sure.
Meaning basically? DO NOT buy a tray OEM from OCUK because you know you'll get all the crap 8 Pack didn't want...
Deadtroopers
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Very odd. From "No matter how hard we tried; we couldn't get it over eighty" to "No matter how hard we tried; we couldn't keep it under ninety." Der8auer certainly has the sample size in his favour (Who else could put £4800 plus worth of processors on the line? Mad!) but Tom's chip is looking like the unlikeliest of Golden BB's. I'll wait three months or so. If Tom's does turn out to be more norm than outlier, I think I'll chuck some money at this platform just for the hell of it. Lapping your silicon, that is just so balls out crackers I want to do it!
Dicehunter
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Very odd. From "No matter how hard we tried; we couldn't get it over eighty" to "No matter how hard we tried; we couldn't keep it under ninety." Der8auer certainly has the sample size in his favour (Who else could put £4800 plus worth of processors on the line? Mad!) but Tom's chip is looking like the unlikeliest of Golden BB's. I'll wait three months or so. If Tom's does turn out to be more norm than outlier, I think I'll chuck some money at this platform just for the hell of it. Lapping your silicon, that is just so balls out crackers I want to do it!
From everything I've seen so far Toms sample is quite golden as everyone else is showing temps at 90'c+, While that's not a bad thing I think it would maybe be safer to wait for Intels next gen or even AMD's next gen to see what temps are like.
Dawelio
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Wait for their next gen? When they’ve just released their ”next”/9th gen? :lol:
Avet
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This is basically still Haswell generation. It is refined beyond recognition, and pushed to the limit of what is possible with this architecture, and current lithography process. High temps, and high price are probably because 9th gen chips have very low yield, are cherry picked, and run on the absolute rugged edge.
Intel's Ice Lake should be completely new architecture, build process, but it is delayed over, and over. So Intel is pushing current technology as far, as it will go to buy time for new stuff.
AlienALX
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Dawelio
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Yup, see you in about 6 weeks
What? So their next gen is coming in 6 weeks?...
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
It was sarcasm
The reason I said wait is because as Avet said we are still basically on Haswell, Just a very VERY modified version, It won't be until the next gen that we see something that is a truly different architecture compared to what we've had for the last 5 years.
tolagarf
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Well I just de-lid my i7 7700K and finally got it below 60C degrees even on a crap air cooler. There is no way I'm going to buy any CPU from this 9th generation. Might as well wait for the first 10nm generation and hopefully this one will support PCIe 4.0 also (or 5.0 even). Two birds hit with one stone 
AlienALX
Well-known member
Aye, things are not rosy at Intel ATM. Not only are they having huge shrink issues but they closed down a load of factories due to the lack in competition and now? they need them again. Pretty funny really when you think about it.
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