There was stock, just not enough to meet demand. There was actually many many more than the 1800X had at launch
Also a stock 8700K is around a Stock 1800X. Overclock the 8700K and the 1800X is left in the dust in everything.
Intel Coffee Lake i7 8700K Review
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There was stock, just not enough to meet demand. There was actually many many more than the 1800X had at launch
Also a stock 8700K is around a Stock 1800X. Overclock the 8700K and the 1800X is left in the dust in everything.
TheF34RChannel
New member
@AngryGoldfish: it's quite painful, this vapour launch :/ I hope the price doesn't go up but it likely will.
@TTL: there was some stock in the UK (I know a guy on Anandtech who's got his today) but I've researched it and 0 ever entered the Netherlands. Literally none. Same for the (at least Asus) boards; none. I enquired about the Apex: no idea they said, on price, availability, if they'll even sell it or not, they wrote me today. In the US stock is supposed to come in in two weeks time, Europe is unknown. And even thinking about 1 Nov really frustrates me. Intel should have waited and created inventory first.
Anyway, all frustrations aside ha ha, I would really like to know if I can be alleviated from tinkering with the SA and other RAM related voltages if I omit XMP on my 3333MHz RAM and just set it manually.
@TTL: there was some stock in the UK (I know a guy on Anandtech who's got his today) but I've researched it and 0 ever entered the Netherlands. Literally none. Same for the (at least Asus) boards; none. I enquired about the Apex: no idea they said, on price, availability, if they'll even sell it or not, they wrote me today. In the US stock is supposed to come in in two weeks time, Europe is unknown. And even thinking about 1 Nov really frustrates me. Intel should have waited and created inventory first.
Anyway, all frustrations aside ha ha, I would really like to know if I can be alleviated from tinkering with the SA and other RAM related voltages if I omit XMP on my 3333MHz RAM and just set it manually.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Really? Everything?
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_coffee_lake_i7_8700k_review/8
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_coffee_lake_i7_8700k_review/4
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/intel_coffee_lake_i7_8700k_review/6
That looks awfully like 'win-some-lose-some' to me.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Yeah I agree. Every review I have seen pretty much says it's a faster 8700k in gaming(barely) but in multi threaded tasks, sits between a 1700x/1800x until OC'd it beats the 1800x, but not even by that much.
NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Yeah and it seems to only hit(and not every time) the "50%" faster mark intel was on about before release in synthetics, turns out less than 5% IPC improvement and all the increase is from the extra cores/cache.
I think we all know this is a SkyLake with two extra cores. Nothing wrong with that but it's still damn expensive. SkyLake was the last temptation. New process, RAM and structure. That was the big breakaway from the preceding chips. IceLake is where we're all going to upgrade. DDR5...PCIE 4...10Nm. Late next year I guess.
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AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
The 8700K and the 8600K, as well as the rest of the lineup, all seem to be excellent. But it's what Skylake should have been, or even Kaby Lake. I'm jealous that an 8600K can beat a 1600X, the CPU I just bought, for only slightly more money while being far more stable, offering more gaming performance (thought that's not essential for someone at 1440p), and offering higher overclocking potential as well as easier overclocking. Learning about Ryzen's inability to downclock at idle when overclocked is not something I was fully aware of before the purchase. Coffee Lake is pretty much just a matter of increasing voltages until your cooler can't handle it any more and then raising the core frequency until you're unstable. Add in the fact that even Samsung B-die memory modules can't consistently hit their touted frequencies on Ryzen (and I'm not talking high speed memory like 3600Mhz) with up-to-date motherboards and Coffee Lake is a really excellent range.
The main draw for AMD is: future proofing (I intend to install an 8-core Zen 2 CPU when they're released), cheaper, and they're available now. Coffee Lake are superior CPUs for the most part, but it's clearly a paper launch and I wasn't willing to wait any longer to begin my build.
The main draw for AMD is: future proofing (I intend to install an 8-core Zen 2 CPU when they're released), cheaper, and they're available now. Coffee Lake are superior CPUs for the most part, but it's clearly a paper launch and I wasn't willing to wait any longer to begin my build.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Another website put it under proper water. It hit 90c under water at 5.1ghz. It was in the 80s at 5ghz which of course would eventually lead to pump failure, as well as a lot of pressure in the system so you would wind up with your safety valve letting out moisture and of course would run low on coolant.
So this 5ghz stuff is BS. Absolute BS as usual. Unless you delid AND have excellent cooling AND win the lottery you ain't getting no 5ghz.
Brought back down to reality and day to day use? yes, it's faster than the Ryzen 1600/X. We knew that, there was never any doubt. All you had to do was basically add 25-30% overall performance to a 7700k and you had your numbers.
Does that mean every one who bought Ryzen made a mistake? no, of course not. They are going to have buyer's remorse for a while but guess what? welcome to planet earth. It doesn't matter what you buy, unless you go completely left field (like I did, £360 for a 14 core Broadwell E) then you are going to suffer from buyer's remorse.
Thankfully as I am getting into my older years I no longer suffer from clock speed envy. I really couldn't give a s**t as Morgan Freeman said at his probation hearing. I would be gutted if Intel released a CPU with more cores than mine at a lower price though, but hey, we all know that wasn't ever going to happen ever.
So Intel finally do what they should have done with X58 and Sandy, released a mainstream hex core CPU. Only they didn't, and I won't be coming down with amnesia any time soon.
It is what it is, suck it up a little and move on
Also if you think you have it bad from buying Ryzen spare a thought for every one who bought 4/8 Kabys and are now trying to sell them. Telling them their CPU has flopped in price seems to be hitting a few raw nerves.
So this 5ghz stuff is BS. Absolute BS as usual. Unless you delid AND have excellent cooling AND win the lottery you ain't getting no 5ghz.
Brought back down to reality and day to day use? yes, it's faster than the Ryzen 1600/X. We knew that, there was never any doubt. All you had to do was basically add 25-30% overall performance to a 7700k and you had your numbers.
Does that mean every one who bought Ryzen made a mistake? no, of course not. They are going to have buyer's remorse for a while but guess what? welcome to planet earth. It doesn't matter what you buy, unless you go completely left field (like I did, £360 for a 14 core Broadwell E) then you are going to suffer from buyer's remorse.
Thankfully as I am getting into my older years I no longer suffer from clock speed envy. I really couldn't give a s**t as Morgan Freeman said at his probation hearing. I would be gutted if Intel released a CPU with more cores than mine at a lower price though, but hey, we all know that wasn't ever going to happen ever.
So Intel finally do what they should have done with X58 and Sandy, released a mainstream hex core CPU. Only they didn't, and I won't be coming down with amnesia any time soon.
It is what it is, suck it up a little and move on
Also if you think you have it bad from buying Ryzen spare a thought for every one who bought 4/8 Kabys and are now trying to sell them. Telling them their CPU has flopped in price seems to be hitting a few raw nerves.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
Another website put it under proper water. It hit 90c under water at 5.1ghz. It was in the 80s at 5ghz which of course would eventually lead to pump failure, as well as a lot of pressure in the system so you would wind up with your safety valve letting out moisture and of course would run low on coolant.
So this 5ghz stuff is BS. Absolute BS as usual. Unless you delid AND have excellent cooling AND win the lottery you ain't getting no 5ghz.
Brought back down to reality and day to day use? yes, it's faster than the Ryzen 1600/X. We knew that, there was never any doubt. All you had to do was basically add 25-30% overall performance to a 7700k and you had your numbers.
Does that mean every one who bought Ryzen made a mistake? no, of course not. They are going to have buyer's remorse for a while but guess what? welcome to planet earth. It doesn't matter what you buy, unless you go completely left field (like I did, £360 for a 14 core Broadwell E) then you are going to suffer from buyer's remorse.
Thankfully as I am getting into my older years I no longer suffer from clock speed envy. I really couldn't give a s**t as Morgan Freeman said at his probation hearing. I would be gutted if Intel released a CPU with more cores than mine at a lower price though, but hey, we all know that wasn't ever going to happen ever.
So Intel finally do what they should have done with X58 and Sandy, released a mainstream hex core CPU. Only they didn't, and I won't be coming down with amnesia any time soon.
It is what it is, suck it up a little and move on
8Pack from OCUK did his own tests and uploaded a video showing that IPC wise the 8700K is a 7700K, Exact same single core scores in all the tests he did, Haven't watched the guvs video yet though as I need a fairly large cup of tea and some hobnobs ^_^
AlienALX
Well-known member
If Intel had released an 8 core mainstream high clocking CPU? dude I would be proper annoyed. But they haven't. They have done exactly what I expected them to do. Drip out two more cores. And you need a new motherboard AND you have to accept that by buying that motherboard you are going to get screwed when Z390 comes out in six months.
Just too many caveats on Intel for me, man. Even Jay was on the fence.
I mean, why would you pay double for your CPU (as the 1600 is now £180) and then a huge premium for your motherboard knowing that in six months.. I dunno man, the mind boggles !
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
That is 1 of the reasons I got an 1800X and Crosshair VI mobo as I know I'm good for Zen+, Basically a refresh of the 1600/1600X/1700/1700X/1800X for much higher clocks, Performance etc..... and Zen2 as well as the Zen2 refresh, I have a clear upgrade path which to me is a huge selling point.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Tell you what add 500mhz on top of that 1800x and see how this CL fares then. Not too well I would imagine !
Bottom line though is that Intel have gone and done it now. What I mean is, released a CPU that needs thread support. Which means that as soon as the devs do that (because they will, sadly Intel command things like this) the Ryzens will just get better.
It still doesn't top Ryzen 1700 B350 Strix and 16gb 3200 ram for me. That is the sweet spot right now and will continue to be I would imagine, right up until the refresh.
Bottom line though is that Intel have gone and done it now. What I mean is, released a CPU that needs thread support. Which means that as soon as the devs do that (because they will, sadly Intel command things like this) the Ryzens will just get better.
It still doesn't top Ryzen 1700 B350 Strix and 16gb 3200 ram for me. That is the sweet spot right now and will continue to be I would imagine, right up until the refresh.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
The fact that cheaper Coffee Lake motherboards are delayed until H1 2018 is a huge thing for more budget orientated builders.
AlienALX
Well-known member
I would either sit on what you have or go for something monumental. Either Threadripper or 8 cores on Intel. And then you will be set for years to come. The exciting stuff will come from Nvidia. This whole core enema is great for us, but only as one time buyers every few years.
AMD have what they need for a secure future right now. Core support absolutely will come, if anything Intel have finally gifted them with that.
And as such, if you buy a very heavily cored CPU now then it just means you can skip absolutely everything else until the day comes when you need more cores. And that is going to be a long time coming yet, IMO, especially as Intel seem determined to drag their asses.
I dunno man, I guess I am just more easily pleased when it comes to CPUs. They don't excite me or get my pulse going like a new Titan card. I find it far easier saying "enough is enough" when it comes to CPUs and mobos.
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