Avet
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Even if they don't sell single gaming GPU i am not scared for their well being.
Has your RTX 2080 Ti Died? - Reports of GPU deaths mount
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Even if they don't sell single gaming GPU i am not scared for their well being.
Yep, the largest margins are on the higher end cards, but they also have the lowest volume and the largest upfront cost, most of NVidia's revenue not just for big-die GPU's like this but as a whole for their company will be from recurring services related to and bundled with their Tesla's, Quaddro's, and other developer/manufacturer-orientated products(Hence why a good chunk of what they've been earning from their traditional markets has been being thrown straight at products car manufacturers for the last few years).
The profits from low-mid end gaming chips are much more more stable and predictable over a longer term with lower risks due to the reduced upfront costs of smaller dies(And the fact most of the R&D for the architecture was already done in the roll out of the large die cards), but while they'll earn the most of profit for their gaming segment (Due to the orders of magnitude larger volumes despite generally margins a fraction of larger end models), it won't be for their company as a whole, which largely relies on providing enterprise services(And that goes for AMD, Intel, IBM, ect too) to make the truly lucrative profits(Hence why Vega was a success's for AMD even though the volume of physical sales has been limited by HBM2 supply; It's likely pulled in a sea of long-term customers thanks to being paired with Epyc).
While RTX cards and the like do have a "halo" effect, it is not the primary reason why they exist. They exist because the R&D for them is already done in creating the Quaddro's and the like on the same dies. If they can sell these dev-orientated chips for similar margins to the gaming market(Which they can now but probably couldn't if AMD were competitive) then they will. The fat margins help bring in large amounts of revenue in a short amount of time, just after their riskiest and most expensive period(Roll out of a large die GPU), meaning even if the cash flow won't equal a mid-end cards lifetime total, it will be at a much greater rate and at a much more important time for the company. If NVidia would have been forced to release any new cards at £600 because of pressure from AMD, we just would have had to wait till more economical RTX capable dies were possible, or people who really wanted that would have to buy professional cards. If NVidia had held off on launching these cards in the gaming market 6 months then moves by AMD might have made in nonsensical for NVidia to launch this card at all, so they kinda had to rush it.
But of course RT makes it a bit different this time round in that someone had to make DXR-compatible hardware prior to the next gen consoles and consumer orientated RT cards anyway. I think we'll see Navi, NVidia architecture, and the next gen consoles all launch or be announced with RT within a few months at the end of next year. There's no doubt MS pushed for DXR and DirectML to be a part of the next gen Xbox, and it's almost certainly going to use more or less the same GPU arch as the PS5. For all intents and purposes, AMD's support from devs on RT was more or less guaranteed as a result of the consoles, whereas NVidia needed to make a move now if they wanted their implementation to start going through real world optimisation processes.
The profits from low-mid end gaming chips are much more more stable and predictable over a longer term with lower risks due to the reduced upfront costs of smaller dies(And the fact most of the R&D for the architecture was already done in the roll out of the large die cards), but while they'll earn the most of profit for their gaming segment (Due to the orders of magnitude larger volumes despite generally margins a fraction of larger end models), it won't be for their company as a whole, which largely relies on providing enterprise services(And that goes for AMD, Intel, IBM, ect too) to make the truly lucrative profits(Hence why Vega was a success's for AMD even though the volume of physical sales has been limited by HBM2 supply; It's likely pulled in a sea of long-term customers thanks to being paired with Epyc).
While RTX cards and the like do have a "halo" effect, it is not the primary reason why they exist. They exist because the R&D for them is already done in creating the Quaddro's and the like on the same dies. If they can sell these dev-orientated chips for similar margins to the gaming market(Which they can now but probably couldn't if AMD were competitive) then they will. The fat margins help bring in large amounts of revenue in a short amount of time, just after their riskiest and most expensive period(Roll out of a large die GPU), meaning even if the cash flow won't equal a mid-end cards lifetime total, it will be at a much greater rate and at a much more important time for the company. If NVidia would have been forced to release any new cards at £600 because of pressure from AMD, we just would have had to wait till more economical RTX capable dies were possible, or people who really wanted that would have to buy professional cards. If NVidia had held off on launching these cards in the gaming market 6 months then moves by AMD might have made in nonsensical for NVidia to launch this card at all, so they kinda had to rush it.
But of course RT makes it a bit different this time round in that someone had to make DXR-compatible hardware prior to the next gen consoles and consumer orientated RT cards anyway. I think we'll see Navi, NVidia architecture, and the next gen consoles all launch or be announced with RT within a few months at the end of next year. There's no doubt MS pushed for DXR and DirectML to be a part of the next gen Xbox, and it's almost certainly going to use more or less the same GPU arch as the PS5. For all intents and purposes, AMD's support from devs on RT was more or less guaranteed as a result of the consoles, whereas NVidia needed to make a move now if they wanted their implementation to start going through real world optimisation processes.
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looz
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Nah I mean their data center products. 
NeverBackDown
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They don't advertise very much. Making a benchmark result with the most vague graph possible within an email and posting it on a website takes little to no effort. The press will do the rest and talk nonstop about it. As for everything else you said the price is based off including everything you mentioned. They will still have large margins and the addition of other things won't change that very much.
What I said has nothing to do with manufacturing. So no your statement makes no sense, in addition if you aren't in manufacturing, then you probably don't know much more than I would. Everything I said was about the financials, but continuing, I never said anything about the Titan V. That is very clearly an outlier and a gag product to just prove a point about AMD being nothing in comparison. You'd probably be very surprised to see the numbers will more than likely but very close in terms of what brings in the most money. They sell a ton of higher end cards too.
Ourroborros
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Have just read on toms hardware that modules 6 and 7 of the gddr6 memory are seriously overheating to the point they exceed their 95c failsafe. Those modules are right next to the pwm links with the gpu. That's poprably almost a certainty thats causing the problem.
The_Governour
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Just seen a video of Jays2Cents of the FTW3 and there were some mems that were MUCH hotter than the rest. Might have something to do with it.
Avet
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Avet
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It is reference design boards. Not strictly Nvidia FE cards. GamersNexus is receiving dead boards from all partners for their analysis.
NeverBackDown
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GN just posted a video of one of their own FE cards dying.
Avet
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It is not their card that died. It is the first one of dead ones arriving at GN hq from followers. They have asked community to send them dead 2080 Tis for testing, before they RMA them.
NeverBackDown
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Just read the title. I don't bother to watch the videos tbh so just assumed it was theirs
its not FE. Its all cards using reference boards. So I believe Gigabyte and Gainward has also taken a slight hit.
