WYP
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Has your RTX 2080 Ti Died? - Reports of GPU deaths mount
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I'd be wondering if the users with multiple failures should perhaps be looking at their wider environment before kicking off on a forum. Flaky MB's or PSU's would spring to mind first and foremost.
Not defending Nvidia as they have more than earned any opprobrium aimed at them but fairs fair.
Not defending Nvidia as they have more than earned any opprobrium aimed at them but fairs fair.
Dawelio
Active member
What exactly where/are you trying to say here?... That they have had two of three, or two of your GPUs? What? :huh:...
Haha yeah, probably by next year lol.
Honestly though? I don’t feel bad for them at all. If anyone in their right mind seriously spend this amount of money on a consumer GPU, especially when it’s like Alien or NBD which said, it’s a first generation product and is likely to have issues following that.
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
It's a typo Dawelio. It's meant to read as: 'One user has reported that they have had two out of three RTX 2080ti'
tolagarf
Member
That's what I was thinking as well. For one there seems to be an issue with some multi rail PSU, Corsair's specifically I've read that causes artifacts on screen when daisy chaining the PCI-e cable. In general that's just a really bad idea, unless your PSU is single rail or has very high ampere throughput. But I wouldn't be surprised if some people using a cheap bronze 500 watt PSU with a RTX 2080 Ti, because there are unfortunately idiots like that in the world
Eddie long
Member
That would make more sense as I'm sure if there was a real issue one of the reviewers would have had issues too, there again they don't use cheap underpowered psu 's
It's most likely an issue with manufacturing tolerances. People buying £1200 GPUs will not be using £30 PSU's. The 2080Ti is a ~300W card, there'd be much larger issues with their system under load if they tried to use it with a cheap <500W PSU.
Modern multi-rail PSU's shouldn't have any issues with such a high wattage card, there are technically 5x 75W power inputs to the board, and the PCIe input is likely a last resort, meaning most of the power is being pulled through 4 power pin pairs. It'd be hard to create a PSU that could mess up the distribution for that nowadays(It's generally easier to divy out the power for higher power use cards like this on multi-rail PSUs because there's more power inputs you can assign to each rail without requiring sharing).
Modern multi-rail PSU's shouldn't have any issues with such a high wattage card, there are technically 5x 75W power inputs to the board, and the PCIe input is likely a last resort, meaning most of the power is being pulled through 4 power pin pairs. It'd be hard to create a PSU that could mess up the distribution for that nowadays(It's generally easier to divy out the power for higher power use cards like this on multi-rail PSUs because there's more power inputs you can assign to each rail without requiring sharing).
Ourroborros
New member
I hope my card doesn't die when pcspecialist actually get around to getting it in stock and building my new pc. Tiny Tom im sure you guys at oc3d will be testing any cards you have??
Darkdayzzz
New member
You do realize that most PC builders are smart, however some are not so smart and WILL use a cheap PSU since they often think, incorrectly, that "I have an awesome GPU/CPU I don't have much money left now so I'll just get this 800 watt off brand PSU and it will power everything".
You are not dealing with the brightest bulbs in the shed sometimes!
demonking
New member
Im sure the PR team @ Nvidia are already looking to blame other components for those affected cards.
A lot of talk on the memory being the issue and not so much on the actual die being the issue but we need someone to get to the bottom of the issue.
Not so much on the AIB cards having issues either mostly just the Founders edition. I wonder then if this is a PNY/Nvidia design issue or if there just are not as many other cards out there.
Though I do feel sorry for those going through this, you have been sold a promise and a statement of the best GPU in the world. Bet those with no GPU in their systems whilst they wait for the RMA to go through aren't thinking this, and with no games to support this new tech I bet a good portion of them are now regretting their purchase.
A lot of talk on the memory being the issue and not so much on the actual die being the issue but we need someone to get to the bottom of the issue.
Not so much on the AIB cards having issues either mostly just the Founders edition. I wonder then if this is a PNY/Nvidia design issue or if there just are not as many other cards out there.
Though I do feel sorry for those going through this, you have been sold a promise and a statement of the best GPU in the world. Bet those with no GPU in their systems whilst they wait for the RMA to go through aren't thinking this, and with no games to support this new tech I bet a good portion of them are now regretting their purchase.
AlienALX
Well-known member
The guys that actually post on Nvidia forums are the hard core, who buy every new product and they're not short of money. I doubt they have cheap power supplies. Especially given that in the grand scheme of things an "expensive" power supply is around $250 or so.
I will reserve judgement for now and see what happens on OCUK. This may just be limited to Nvidia's cards only. It's a good way to find out, as MSI would do all of their own manufacturing and soldering, for example.
Suggestions are that it's the GDDR6 RAM, which would make sense given it is known to cause artifacting if faulty. From those I've seen with artifacts, they haven't been accompanied by soaring temps.
Just read that. Perfectly feasible I suppose.
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AlienALX
Well-known member
Always the same, kiddo. When something truly new launches we are the testers and guinea pigs.
I think the worst launch in my memory was DDR3. God, it was truly awful. BSOD heaven for months until they got the bioses right.
Ryzen wasn't exactly smooth, either, but it was very exciting.
Avet
Active member
PSU doesn't need to be <500W to be bad.
My friend has just upgraded his PC. 4670K=>4790K, and MSI 970 Gaming 4G => MSI 1070Ti GamingX, and he is still rocking 5 year old Raidmax 700-ish PSU. I told him that is a bad idea but he is like "No that PSU is good enough." I don't think his rig has many days left.
jonnyguru.com ratings:
Raidmax RX-735AP (Performance 6.5, Overall 7.3)
Corsair RM750 (Performance 9.5, Overall 9.3)
Seasonic Focus Plus 750W Gold (Performance 10, Overall 9.6)
Another friend swapped his Thermaltake something 650W PSU only because when he upgraded to GTX 1080 and added water cooling loop his CPU was shutting down in intense gaming sessions.
They called me crazy for buying Seasonic Focus Plus 650W Gold. There are perfectly good EVGA 650W PSUs for half the price, they said.
Guy form BPS Customs YouTube channel used 1200W FSP PSU to power 1950X and 2x Vega 64... It failed. Couldn't even boot the CPU. And yes he got a replacement unit. The same result. Wall breaker was showing 750-900W. When he hooked up Corsair HX1000i it worked like a charm. Although FSP has decent reputation, they make some good OEMs for other companies, their own stuff is known to be just OK.
Those are the examples i can pull from the back of my mind. You cannot wrap your head around how many people use bad PSUs.
That's a really poor comment dude. So just because they purchased the card you dont feel bad for them? What about those who were always told to wait for next gen so saved for months, only to be disappointed after all this time. When you drop 2400euros on 2 cards. You expect a working product. It's their money, it's also those people who allow Nvidia to look at sales and decide on direction of development.
How about I say "i don't feel bad for your failing 1080 card, since you are too poor to buy the latest generation". Or perhaps I should have said to Dice, I don't feel sorry about him replacing 6 Monitors because he was dumb enough to go with ASUS.
It's an empty statement, but no more so than yours. Software issues would be expected, but not serious hardware errors at this level. I think you forget that people live in different worlds, some of money available to purchase them without hesitation, some don't, and some are cautious with spending.
Frankly I am glad we have early adopters. They allow Nvidia to look at sales and realise "yes RTX was a worthwhile direction, lets advance it"
Look at the TitanZ. No one took the bait, but do you see any further development on it? Without the big spenders, tech addicts and those who want to be first, we wouldn't have the kind of development we have today.
Yes, the price is outrageous. No, I won't purchase this gen. But I damn right feel sorry for all those who are RMA'ing card after card for potential hardware failure. Especially those who worked hard to get this after all the waiting, and refusing to be milked by refresh after refresh of Pascal.
AlienALX
Well-known member
There are many ways you can look at it, though.
Like example right, some one who is morbidly obese eats too much. Is it a good thing to enable them by giving them more food?
Any one who buys a GPU at these sort of prices are enabling Nvidia to continue to charge this much. Which is enabling them in the same way as feeding an obese person junk food.
People buying Turing cards are enabling Nvidia, plain and simple. They are moaning on one side of their face about the prices, yet then on the other side of their face they are handing over stupid amounts of money for a GPU.
Self control. I don't feel too much pity for those who don't have any. All they are doing is making the situation worse for every one.
It's like that guy yesterday. He quotes me £15 for a small laser cut piece of acrylic. Then I agree to it and then he sends me an invoice for £18.50. Now some people would just pay it. I didn't, I told him to get stuffed (rudely, too, I was infuriated).
So I post on another forum and some one says "That is how Specsavers became a billion dollar company. By quoting people one price, then giving them a higher one when they go to collect their order with all sorts of BS excuses".
The fact remains, if people had told Specsavers to get stuffed they could not have gotten away with it.
So yes, whilst I wish I could be very happy for any one buying a Turing card I simply can't, given that by them buying that product they are screwing me over. And themselves, but then that part is their lookout.
So yeah, you would have to excuse me for having low/no empathy or sympathy.
