Goodbye the old, welcome the new ! but i still need help ;)

[walkingasd]

Recently I’ve had some serious performance issues with my old rig. So in light of this a new build is necessary.

Case: Cooler Master ATC 840 – black or silver?

PSU (80 plus gold): OCZ Z-Series 850W

OR Enermax Modu-87+ Netzteil - 800 Watt

HD: 1 SSD Intel X25-M G2 80GB + 1HDD Western Digital Caviar Green, 64MB, 2TB

GPU: Asus HD 5870 V2 1GB (one for now might get a second one in the future)

RAM: Corsair Dominator(CMG4GX3M2B1600C7 <----watever that means) GT 2x2GB, DDR3-1600, 7-7-7-20, CL7@1.65V (I WILL get 2 more in the near future if I get these)

OR G.Skill Ripjaws 4x2GB Kit, DDR3-1600, CL7-8-7-24@1.6V

Now for the “hard” part:

Either

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition

MB: Asus Crosshair IV Formula

Or

CPU: Intel Core i7 930

MB: Asus P6X58D-E, Intel X58, LGA1366

For those that have made some builds recently what do you recommend? AMD or Intel? Personal preference for me is towards the AMD 6 core, but I’m clueless so it doesn’t count

edit: Order is in, wiating on delivery

 

[hmmblah]

You can't go wrong with either setup IMO. I actually prefer AMD/ATI but went with Intel/nVidia because of folding. If you ever plan on folding (we have a great team for that right here) you will achieve more points with Intel/nVidia. If you are primarily gaming then the systems should perform near identical.

 

[killablade]

Case: I prefer black, but that's just a personal preference.

PSU: Why not the Corsair AX850w? Although those PSU's will probably do just fine.

RAM: I'd go with the Dominators because of the better timing and generally good overclockability.

Then comes "The Hard Part". Personally, I'd go with Intel, but I've never worked with an AMD 6-core before so I've got ne experience with them. I do know they perform about the same as the Intel.

 

[alienware]

X6 all the way. Look at the review on here and how it craps on the 930 when overclocked.

 

[VonBlade]

RAM: Corsair Dominator(CMG4GX3M2B1600C7 <----watever that means)

Corsair Memory 4Gigabytes M2B(2GB stick) 1600 (speed) C7 (CAS timing)

 

[Thanh55]

Intel FTW, unless you are AMD death fan. You build look pretty good there, about 6 cores CPU imo not worth to buy unless you ging to bench it. 4 cores CPU far enough for everyday use and game. Good luck for you build and don't forget to post over Project section

 

[walkingasd]

yhea i will put up a build project.

also planning to WC after i asses the financial damage of the build has done.

The general consensus is to go with the i7 ?

I'll look into which one, i think that on TomsHardware there was an article comparing CPU's with GPU's.

 

[alienware]

Intel FTW, unless you are AMD death fan. You build look pretty good there, about 6 cores CPU imo not worth to buy unless you ging to bench it. 4 cores CPU far enough for everyday use and game. Good luck for you build and don't forget to post over Project section

That's what every one was saying when the Core 2 Quad came out and they had the Core 2 duo.

If you were under the mistaken impression that utilised cores do not make a difference then you've got it wrong man.

Intel's flagship CPU uses six cores. When they're all used it wipes the floor with a quad core for a reason, it has two working fully clocked cores beating away that quad core CPUs do not have.

It won't take very long at all for software houses to begin utlising 6 full cores. Infact, it would probably take a couple of days to implement the architecture needed to look at and use all six cores.

What hasn't been covered is what walkingasd wants the machine for. However, even the gaming argument is quickly brushed to one side when you compare what the 930 and 1090T do head to head.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_1090t_six_core_review/6

And that's without the extra cores utilised. Get them beating away? Well, then the 1090T will stand head and shoulders above the 930.

They reakon that within two years we will be looking at more like 12 cores. Infact, in the server world that's right about where they are up to, and home computer users get the handmedowns from the servers (and we always have, Intel P4 Extreme edition any one? A Xeon in 478 clothing).

Many people used the Opteron 140 back when because it was pretty much identical to the FX AMD CPU (fastest in the world) cost 1/3 the price and overclocked to the same overall speeds.

And then you need to bring price into the equation. The 1090T costs around the same as the 930. However, even *now* with two cores sitting idle it not only manages to compete but surpass the 930. Get those other two cores utlised? It will slaughter the 930.

You also get a far more feature rich board for your hard earned pennies using the 1090. In Intel terms the Crosshair IV would cost double what it does on the AM3 platform. It's already been made clear that walkingasd has ruled out going triple channel DDR3 (good move IMO, total waste of money) and thus the clear winner is the 1090.

 

[SilverSS/SC]

I am doing pretty much the same build as you, but with a few differences. I went with a Corsair HX850 PSU, but either you posted should work. I am also going with the Asus EAH5870 GPU. I went with the G.Skill Ram because I have the Noctua D14 Air cooler right now, and the Dominators heatsink would not have fit under the Noctua, but the Dominators should be very nice. I went with the AMD/Crossfire combo. I thought the 1090t was a better buy, and AMD doesn't change sockets as often as Intel. Example: Intel plans at least one or two new sockets next year. AMD on the other hand is putting out new processors, but even if they are a new socket, it will be AM3+ and will be fully backwards compatible. So if you bought the Crosshair IV Formula, it would work with Bulldozer. Either way you go, it looks like a good build. You can check to see how my build turns out in my build log in the log section. Have Fun!!!

 

[walkingasd]

thank you guys!

mainly it's gonna be gaming, but will do some programming too and white box/black box testing can take ages!

in light of the fact that AMD will come out with new CPU's on the same architecture I'll go for the 1090T.

for PSU I'll give a quick look into the Corsair that was advised and in the next few days I'll get things.

Anyone would change something here?

 

[alienware]

I am doing pretty much the same build as you, but with a few differences. I went with a Corsair HX850 PSU, but either you posted should work. I am also going with the Asus EAH5870 GPU. I went with the G.Skill Ram because I have the Noctua D14 Air cooler right now, and the Dominators heatsink would not have fit under the Noctua, but the Dominators should be very nice. I went with the AMD/Crossfire combo. I thought the 1090t was a better buy, and AMD doesn't change sockets as often as Intel. Example: Intel plans at least one or two new sockets next year. AMD on the other hand is putting out new processors, but even if they are a new socket, it will be AM3+ and will be fully backwards compatible. So if you bought the Crosshair IV Formula, it would work with Bulldozer. Either way you go, it looks like a good build. You can check to see how my build turns out in my build log in the log section. Have Fun!!!

2012 apparently. That's when AMD will stop supporting the current socket/s (AM2+ and AM3) and drop it all for their Fusion based CPUs.

Which is what? a 7 year run on the same socket. That's bloody fantastic tbh. Imagine my surprise when last week Asus came up with a bios update that allowed me to fit a X6 into my aging Crosshair 2. And the cool part? Well, my Crosshair 2 is triple SLI. That's now got me thinking that for £500 (the cost of a bottom end poohole rig) I can have the very latest and fastest AMD cpu with six cores AND a pair of 460s.

Imagine how pissed I would be if I had got the early I7 socket only to find they released about two CPUs on it before making another one.

I know AMD is a dirty word nowdays. But the x6 is an absolutely cracking CPU. They could have 'done an Intel' and given it an entire new name and marketted it as something else tbh. Hell, they could have been greedy and come up with a new socket too. Honestly though, the ability to drop a brand new scorchingly fast CPU into a four year old motherboard is just excellentness.

 

[AMDFTW]

i love AMD lol

get the hexcore fella

the case is fine

the corsair 850 is perfect

the motherboard is top end IMO

putting that CPU in that motherboard is the best config IMO real easy to overclock to over 4ghz on good air,easy peasy with a dh14

 

[alienware]

i love AMD lol

+ Asrock. I can actually sit here and consider going 1055 now.

 

[AMDFTW]

wouldent ots performance of the board hold it back especialy as the 1055 has not got the unlocked multi?

just thought you would hit more OC problems even with the 1090t you might.

stick it in your crossair thats the board i would of got if it was in stock when i made my purchase

 

[alienware]

The crosshair is absolute crap for overclocking. Honestly, it's utterly pants. I managed to get my Sempron 140 from 2.7 to 3.2. It seemed fine. I ran prime, stable. Every time I ran a game though? crashed. In the end I had to wind it down to 2.8 to make it stable which is absolutely pathetic.

I'm not buying a 1055T for overclocking. Sure an OC will be nice (and I am sure I can get *A* overclock out of it) but to be completely frank if I can crank to 1090T speeds (which I will be able to seeing as I have achieved that out of a 940, 400mhz of course) then I will be an immensely happy man.

It basically means I can take a £150 CPU (new one is 95w BTW) and get a £230 cpu. It also means I can keep my fantastic Dominator ram, board and everything else. As VB says in that absolutely marvellous review all you need to do is drop the bugger in.

My board has a low Hypertransport, dual 8X PCIE and so forth but I tell you what dude, in benchmarks my CPU performs exactly as it should (and did in the Crosshair) and my GPUs score 1800 points less than they would on a 16+16 board with a I7 920.

£150 for me is acceptable one year after paying £120 for a 940. Anything more is not. My system is bang on as it is, games fly at full settings and I don't want to spend out on something fabled and mythical (frames that won't do anything as my PC can pretty much hit the cap in any game).

Infact, by the time I do go for the upgrade it'll be right about on par what I paid for the 940, without having to replace ANYTHING else.

I'll bench him of course

 

[Aaronage]

AM3 will not be compatible with Bulldozer. It has been confirmed over at AMDZone by John Fruehe

AM3+ will support existing AM3 CPU's and Bulldozer

AM3 will not support Bulldozer

Even with that in mind, the 1090T is a much better buy IMO

 

[AMDFTW]

yes i will be goin the way of the pluses,AM3+ BOOOM