First time building a computer. Kinda stumped

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PCgamingnoob

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Hey folks. I've been looking at computer parts for a while now, and my research has lead me to the following conclusions:

More cores= more performance.
Higher Ghz= more performance
higher TDP= more performance
better cooling= more performance
more/faster ram= more performance

I want a 24/7 liquid nitrogen cooled rig because my research shows this to be the best cooling method available. I want to achieve overclocks of like 6Ghz at least. I read that I can do this with liquid nitrogen.

I'm looking at the following parts:

AMD 9590 (faster than intel's 5960X for a fraction of the price!! And 8 cores!!)
ASRock Q87M vPro
4x8GB DDR4 2666 (I heard DDR4 is the newest. I dont want that old DDR3)
4TB hard drive (which one is best)
Nvidia GTX Titan black x2 (want to liquid nitrogen cool these as well)
Corsair CX430 (expensive power supplies are for suckers, right?)
Corsair 900D case


I read that SSDs are just hype and a big hard drive will be just as fast as SSDs will due to the increased capacity and the ability to read from several platters at once. Also I read SSDs can only be written to so many times before they die. No thanks!

Just a few questions:

where do I get liquid nitrogen in Canada?
How do I apply the liquid nitrogen? Do I just seal my case off, cut a fill hole in the top and fill'er up with liquid nitrogen?
How often do I have to add more liquid nitrogen?
Is liquid nitrogen safe if it accidentally touches you? Or if your dog drinks it? (I have 7 dogs)

Do I have to like apply a protective clear cote to my parts before I add the liquid nitrogen or anything? I've heard of people using "pots" with liquid nitrogen. Can I use any pot? Like a cast iron? Do I just put it in the case or do I tie it down to the hard drive area or something?

Also, if I use a high end CPU cooler like an H100i (I read those are good) with the liquid nitrogen will that be better? Could I open it, dump the water out, and fill it with liquid nitrogen or something?

I'm just a little confused but I am ready to get these parts and start building! Hopefully you guys can show me how to overclock once I get it built although Im pretty sure you just move some sliders around in Windows.

BTW I will be using my old Windows XP 32 bit. I have found no reason to upgrade. Can I transfer the license off my current Dell Pentium 4 machine? Should be cool right?

Thanks! :cool::cool::cool:
 
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I find it funny how this user pops up right after BB1s accounts are banned. Either way, at least it hasnt been used to brag about their imaginary life on someones intro thread.

EDIT: Sorry had an entire post, but am too embarrassed I took OP seriously. Only first part remains
 
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Newbie_NS810 said:
Sorry had an entire post, but am too embarrassed I took OP seriously. Only first part remains
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Are you saying the OP isn't serious? I mean I can only see 40 major flaws in his plan.

1. More cores does not benefit performance of all applications unless they are written in such a way they can utilize them.
2. Higher TDP (thermal design power) is in no way related to performance, a lower TDP would be more desirable.
3. Better cooling does not directly affect performance although it may permit further overclocks.
4. More ram is of limited benefit for most applications after a certain point, that point is surprisingly low.
5. Faster ram is advantageous to a point but the performance benefits do not outweigh the added cost when taken to the extreme.
6. 24/7 liquid nitrogen is basically impossible.
7. Liquid nitrogen may be the most extreme short term cooling but it certainly is not the best method for typical usage.
8. Like 6GHz at least would be possible with liquid nitrogen but only for short periods. 6GHz is basically inplausible for 24/7 usage unless you want the lifespan of your processor to be measured in minutes.
9. The AMD 9590 is not faster than a 5960X
10. The 5960X also has 8 physical cores.
11. The 5960X actually has 16 logical cores.
12. The ASRock Q87M vPro does not support the AMD 9590 highlighted in point #9
13. The ASRock Q87M vPro definitely would not be well suited to liquid nitrogen cooling highlighted in point #6, #7 and #8.
14. The ASRock Q87M vPro would not support 6GHz overclocks as highlighted in point #8
15. DDR4 is not supported by the ASRock Q87M vPro
16. DDR4 is not supported by the AMD 9590
17. DDR4 is substantially more expensive than DDR3 and offers only minimal performance gains.
18. 2666MHz isn't actually that fast for DDR4
19. SLI is not supported by the Q87M vPro so running 2x Titan Blacks is impossible.
20. Titan Blacks are only available in an nVidia reference design and as such are not well suited to Liquid Nitrogen overclocking unless substantially modified by a professional and even then there are better alternatives for half of the cost.
21. A Corsair CX430 would be short by probably 1000watts to power the proposed setup negating the fact its totally implausible.
22. Expensive power supplies are not for suckers. More expensive and superior quality power supplies will provide a far more stable output prolonging component lifespan and increasing the stability of overclocks. They also are more efficient meaning they produce less heat and noise. Failure of the PSU could lead to the failure of all of the other components making it one of the most important and overlooked components.
23. The Corsair 900D would be excessively big for an mATX motherboard.
24. The Corsair 900D would be unsuitable for liquid nitrogen, largely down to the fact it's not an open air test bench. Also down to the fact the motherboard is positioned vertically so all of the 'liquid' nitrogen would run out and destroy all of the components.
25. SSD's are not just hype.
26. A large SSD would be even faster than a large HDD.
27. The lifespan of an SSD is well into several petabytes of read/writes and not worth considering. They also generally fail in a predictable manner.
28. SSD's are arguably safer than HDD's as they can withstand a wider variety of operating conditions such as shocks, vibrations and temperatures.
29. Filling your case with liquid nitrogen would be extremely expensive and destroy all of the components inside it. And the case. And most likely you.
30. Liquid nitrogen cooling is a precise skill, you do not simply add more. Components must be heated, cooled and loaded delicately to avoid failure through extreme temperatures.
31. Liquid nitrogen is not safe if it accidentally touches you in anything other than a small quantity.
32. If your dog drinks it then it will die horrifically and quickly or most likely smash its own tongue.
33. All components would have to be prepared with putty, insulation and liquid nitrogen pots.
34. Cast iron pots would not be suitable or effective.
35. You do not 'just put it in the case or tie it down or something'
36. If you use a high end CPU cooler like a H100i with liquid nitrogen you will immediately freeze the motor bearings and the coolant inside it smashing the radiator apart and most likely destroy your CPU in the process.
37. You are not ready to get these parts and start building! You know literally nothing that will help the process. Most of your current knowledge will in some way damage nearly all of your components and almost definitely not result in a functioning PC.
38. Windows XP 32 bit does not support more than 4GB of combined system memory, considering you intend to use over 44GB so far that seems like a terrible choice of OS.
39. There are multiple reasons to upgrade from Windows XP.
40. Yeah it should be cool, it will actually be freezing.

JR
 
JR23 said:
Are you saying the OP isn't serious? I mean I can only see 40 major flaws in his plan.

1. More cores does not benefit performance of all applications unless they are written in such a way they can utilize them.
2. Higher TDP (thermal design power) is in no way related to performance, a lower TDP would be more desirable.
3. Better cooling does not directly affect performance although it may permit further overclocks.
4. More ram is of limited benefit for most applications after a certain point, that point is surprisingly low.
5. Faster ram is advantageous to a point but the performance benefits do not outweigh the added cost when taken to the extreme.
6. 24/7 liquid nitrogen is basically impossible.
7. Liquid nitrogen may be the most extreme short term cooling but it certainly is not the best method for typical usage.
8. Like 6GHz at least would be possible with liquid nitrogen but only for short periods. 6GHz is basically inplausible for 24/7 usage unless you want the lifespan of your processor to be measured in minutes.
9. The AMD 9590 is not faster than a 5960X
10. The 5960X also has 8 physical cores.
11. The 5960X actually has 16 logical cores.
12. The ASRock Q87M vPro does not support the AMD 9590 highlighted in point #9
13. The ASRock Q87M vPro definitely would not be well suited to liquid nitrogen cooling highlighted in point #6, #7 and #8.
14. The ASRock Q87M vPro would not support 6GHz overclocks as highlighted in point #8
15. DDR4 is not supported by the ASRock Q87M vPro
16. DDR4 is not supported by the AMD 9590
17. DDR4 is substantially more expensive than DDR3 and offers only minimal performance gains.
18. 2666MHz isn't actually that fast for DDR4
19. SLI is not supported by the Q87M vPro so running 2x Titan Blacks is impossible.
20. Titan Blacks are only available in an nVidia reference design and as such are not well suited to Liquid Nitrogen overclocking unless substantially modified by a professional and even then there are better alternatives for half of the cost.
21. A Corsair CX430 would be short by probably 1000watts to power the proposed setup negating the fact its totally implausible.
22. Expensive power supplies are not for suckers. More expensive and superior quality power supplies will provide a far more stable output prolonging component lifespan and increasing the stability of overclocks. They also are more efficient meaning they produce less heat and noise. Failure of the PSU could lead to the failure of all of the other components making it one of the most important and overlooked components.
23. The Corsair 900D would be excessively big for an mATX motherboard.
24. The Corsair 900D would be unsuitable for liquid nitrogen, largely down to the fact it's not an open air test bench. Also down to the fact the motherboard is positioned vertically so all of the 'liquid' nitrogen would run out and destroy all of the components.
25. SSD's are not just hype.
26. A large SSD would be even faster than a large HDD.
27. The lifespan of an SSD is well into several petabytes of read/writes and not worth considering. They also generally fail in a predictable manner.
28. SSD's are arguably safer than HDD's as they can withstand a wider variety of operating conditions such as shocks, vibrations and temperatures.
29. Filling your case with liquid nitrogen would be extremely expensive and destroy all of the components inside it. And the case. And most likely you.
30. Liquid nitrogen cooling is a precise skill, you do not simply add more. Components must be heated, cooled and loaded delicately to avoid failure through extreme temperatures.
31. Liquid nitrogen is not safe if it accidentally touches you in anything other than a small quantity.
32. If your dog drinks it then it will die horrifically and quickly or most likely smash its own tongue.
33. All components would have to be prepared with putty, insulation and liquid nitrogen pots.
34. Cast iron pots would not be suitable or effective.
35. You do not 'just put it in the case or tie it down or something'
36. If you use a high end CPU cooler like a H100i with liquid nitrogen you will immediately freeze the motor bearings and the coolant inside it smashing the radiator apart and most likely destroy your CPU in the process.
37. You are not ready to get these parts and start building! You know literally nothing that will help the process. Most of your current knowledge will in some way damage nearly all of your components and almost definitely not result in a functioning PC.
38. Windows XP 32 bit does not support more than 4GB of combined system memory, considering you intend to use over 44GB so far that seems like a terrible choice of OS.
39. There are multiple reasons to upgrade from Windows XP.
40. Yeah it should be cool, it will actually be freezing.

JR
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Thank you for your detailed post. Can you suggest me a better setup then? I have $4000 Canadian to spend and I want to include the screen, a good quality keyboard and mouse and some kind of game controller. I already have a stereo I can hook the computer up to for sound...

I will mainly be playing video games on this PC. Also I will be live streaming while I play the games I dont know if that makes a difference or not. I'd like to have at least 8 cores because I heard that's good and "future proofs" whatever that means...

I can buy my parts from either the local Canada Computers or NCIX outlets. NCIX.COM, CANADACOMPUTERS.COM if you guys want to look.
 
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JR23 said:
Are you saying the OP isn't serious? I mean I can only see 40 major flaws in his plan.

1. More cores does not benefit performance of all applications unless they are written in such a way they can utilize them.
2. Higher TDP (thermal design power) is in no way related to performance, a lower TDP would be more desirable.
3. Better cooling does not directly affect performance although it may permit further overclocks.
4. More ram is of limited benefit for most applications after a certain point, that point is surprisingly low.
5. Faster ram is advantageous to a point but the performance benefits do not outweigh the added cost when taken to the extreme.
6. 24/7 liquid nitrogen is basically impossible.
7. Liquid nitrogen may be the most extreme short term cooling but it certainly is not the best method for typical usage.
8. Like 6GHz at least would be possible with liquid nitrogen but only for short periods. 6GHz is basically inplausible for 24/7 usage unless you want the lifespan of your processor to be measured in minutes.
9. The AMD 9590 is not faster than a 5960X
10. The 5960X also has 8 physical cores.
11. The 5960X actually has 16 logical cores.
12. The ASRock Q87M vPro does not support the AMD 9590 highlighted in point #9
13. The ASRock Q87M vPro definitely would not be well suited to liquid nitrogen cooling highlighted in point #6, #7 and #8.
14. The ASRock Q87M vPro would not support 6GHz overclocks as highlighted in point #8
15. DDR4 is not supported by the ASRock Q87M vPro
16. DDR4 is not supported by the AMD 9590
17. DDR4 is substantially more expensive than DDR3 and offers only minimal performance gains.
18. 2666MHz isn't actually that fast for DDR4
19. SLI is not supported by the Q87M vPro so running 2x Titan Blacks is impossible.
20. Titan Blacks are only available in an nVidia reference design and as such are not well suited to Liquid Nitrogen overclocking unless substantially modified by a professional and even then there are better alternatives for half of the cost.
21. A Corsair CX430 would be short by probably 1000watts to power the proposed setup negating the fact its totally implausible.
22. Expensive power supplies are not for suckers. More expensive and superior quality power supplies will provide a far more stable output prolonging component lifespan and increasing the stability of overclocks. They also are more efficient meaning they produce less heat and noise. Failure of the PSU could lead to the failure of all of the other components making it one of the most important and overlooked components.
23. The Corsair 900D would be excessively big for an mATX motherboard.
24. The Corsair 900D would be unsuitable for liquid nitrogen, largely down to the fact it's not an open air test bench. Also down to the fact the motherboard is positioned vertically so all of the 'liquid' nitrogen would run out and destroy all of the components.
25. SSD's are not just hype.
26. A large SSD would be even faster than a large HDD.
27. The lifespan of an SSD is well into several petabytes of read/writes and not worth considering. They also generally fail in a predictable manner.
28. SSD's are arguably safer than HDD's as they can withstand a wider variety of operating conditions such as shocks, vibrations and temperatures.
29. Filling your case with liquid nitrogen would be extremely expensive and destroy all of the components inside it. And the case. And most likely you.
30. Liquid nitrogen cooling is a precise skill, you do not simply add more. Components must be heated, cooled and loaded delicately to avoid failure through extreme temperatures.
31. Liquid nitrogen is not safe if it accidentally touches you in anything other than a small quantity.
32. If your dog drinks it then it will die horrifically and quickly or most likely smash its own tongue.
33. All components would have to be prepared with putty, insulation and liquid nitrogen pots.
34. Cast iron pots would not be suitable or effective.
35. You do not 'just put it in the case or tie it down or something'
36. If you use a high end CPU cooler like a H100i with liquid nitrogen you will immediately freeze the motor bearings and the coolant inside it smashing the radiator apart and most likely destroy your CPU in the process.
37. You are not ready to get these parts and start building! You know literally nothing that will help the process. Most of your current knowledge will in some way damage nearly all of your components and almost definitely not result in a functioning PC.
38. Windows XP 32 bit does not support more than 4GB of combined system memory, considering you intend to use over 44GB so far that seems like a terrible choice of OS.
39. There are multiple reasons to upgrade from Windows XP.
40. Yeah it should be cool, it will actually be freezing.

JR
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We be enemies now, even my original post wasnt that long :notworthy:
 
Do you need or even want advice? JR23 already took the time to write that damn long as post. Frankly I think a mod should just delete this thread.

Also I thought it was a she JR and I don't see how point 32 is relevant, thanks a lot for such a thought.
 
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SSDs are indeed better, faster and less prone to damaged sectors and lost data or drive failures.
More cores are faster for software that is optimized for it, which is more and more common as we go forward, so yes, more cores will be faster for rendering, audio processing, and video processing as long as you are using newer software versions.
Better cooling will not improve performance, but insufficient cooling can have detrimental effects and modern processors will slow down so they do not burn up. As long as you have sufficient cooling you are fine, if you want to overclock the cooling needs will increase.
If you really need super fast processing, go with a multi processor platform.
If you are using a multi processor motherboard you will be hard pressed to find one with more than one pcie slot.
You need to decide if you want the fastest processing or the best game machine.
Your use of this machine will dictate what you buy.
I would not get the Titan Black GPU, but 2 980gtx's if you are going with a game machine.
You can use a built in refrigeration system, but because of it's tendency to condensate, it is not advised in anything other than a 0 humidity environment. Cooling the room you are running it in is more effective but also more costly.

Give me some more information of how you will be using the system and I will be glad to help advise you without the snobbery and making fun of your posts with comments like, 'this must be a joke'.

Good Day
 
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The level of troll here is too damn high, everyone knows Canadians don't know how to operate computers.












































* Would like to point out I'm joking as many of my close friends are Canadian*
 
Eniac The First said:
SSDs are indeed better, faster and less prone to damaged sectors and lost data or drive failures.
More cores are faster for software that is optimized for it, which is more and more common as we go forward, so yes, more cores will be faster for rendering, audio processing, and video processing as long as you are using newer software versions.
Better cooling will not improve performance, but insufficient cooling can have detrimental effects and modern processors will slow down so they do not burn up. As long as you have sufficient cooling you are fine, if you want to overclock the cooling needs will increase.
If you really need super fast processing, go with a multi processor platform.
If you are using a multi processor motherboard you will be hard pressed to find one with more than one pcie slot.
You need to decide if you want the fastest processing or the best game machine.
Your use of this machine will dictate what you buy.
I would not get the Titan Black GPU, but 2 980gtx's if you are going with a game machine.
You can use a built in refrigeration system, but because of it's tendency to condensate, it is not advised in anything other than a 0 humidity environment. Cooling the room you are running it in is more effective but also more costly.

Give me some more information of how you will be using the system and I will be glad to help advise you without the snobbery and making fun of your posts with comments like, 'this must be a joke'.

Good Day
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Oh gawd, you have no idea how much I just laughed at this post... Distinct dejavu of what happened on the other thread (PCgamingnoob < Eniac The First instead of Eclipse Computing PC > BB1)
 
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