CoolerMaster Cosmos II with Corsair Hydro H100.

[NotSure]

zI am thinking of building my first rig .
Here is the setup in mind.

Asus Rampage IV Extreme
Intel Core i7 Extreme edition 3960x
G Skill ripjaws z 8x8GB 2400Mhz
Two Asus Gefore GTX 690 in SLI mode

CoolerMaster COSMOS II
Corsair Hydro H100
CoolerMaster Silent Pro M2 1500W

I have red alot of topics as to compare between the Noctua NH-D14 and the Corsair Hydro H100.
They all seem to agree on
at low speed they both have the same performance and low noise.
As for mid speed they both have the same performance but the Corsair is louder.
At high fan speed the Corsair out performs the Noctua by a little and generates too much noise.

I heard that i have to buy custom fans.
and some where i red that custom fans will not add much.
in some review someone had total of 8 custom fans installed on the radiator and it only decreased temperature by 2 degrees on high load mode.

I am really confused it's been few days now , and i am totally new at this.
I also red that someone recommended me installing some sort of static pressure custom fans on it , and i do not understand what is that.

I am also very confused about the airflow of the case and the positive pressure and negative pressure.
What i understand is.
Positive pressure : more hot air inside.
Negative pressure : less total air inside.


Now i am really confused , and could use some advice about that.
Knowing that i intend to use the system fully loaded for long times (lets assume worst case scenario folding ).
And even if not fully loaded the PC will be on for days , and will rarely be restarted.

So , i need to know your recommendations .
First regarding the setup it self.
Then regarding the cooling and the air flow.
Keep in mind there are two stock fanned asus 690 gtx , i can't afford to have hot air inside.




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[Josh Weston]

Ok, i'm going to assume that you really want to go with a 2011 system, so I won't try to advise 1155. However, if this is just going to be for gaming...
Moral of the story: tell us what your rig shall be doing, so we can help you more

At any rate, save yourself a whole bunch of cash and get a 3930k. There really is NO difference, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper.
RAM: Holy...again, i'll assume you need all of that.
GPUs: Ok, not so confident about this. If you need powerful GPUs for rendering stuff etc., surely a Tesla/Quadro card would be better? If this is for gaming, then Quad SLI is a bad idea. Anything more than single SLI starts to hinder performance, with microstuttering and big frame drops.
If you're going with this massive case with all this great hardware, why not look into a custom watercooling loop?
For the H100, pick up the dual packs of Corsair's SP120 QEs and run them through a molex connector.

 

[andrewmchugh]

You don't need that psu for the 2 690. And a h100 in a case like that is going to look so daft.

You would be so much better with a ivy like Josh is saying. It will be about half the price and then you will be able to afford the next mobo/cpu faster when it becomes old. The 2011 cpus and boards will loose there value faster than you think, they are far to over priced.

 

[NotSure]

Ok, i'm going to assume that you really want to go with a 2011 system, so I won't try to advise 1155. However, if this is just going to be for gaming...
Moral of the story: tell us what your rig shall be doing, so we can help you more

At any rate, save yourself a whole bunch of cash and get a 3930k. There really is NO difference, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper.
RAM: Holy...again, i'll assume you need all of that.
GPUs: Ok, not so confident about this. If you need powerful GPUs for rendering stuff etc., surely a Tesla/Quadro card would be better? If this is for gaming, then Quad SLI is a bad idea. Anything more than single SLI starts to hinder performance, with microstuttering and big frame drops.
If you're going with this massive case with all this great hardware, why not look into a custom watercooling loop?
For the H100, pick up the dual packs of Corsair's SP120 QEs and run them through a molex connector.

I do not want to stick with the 2011.

But i want a high end system that will remain high end for a few years , its harder in to here to buy such a stuff.
That is why i am going with a 6 core processor.
for now , i will use to as a heavy gamer.
But soon it will not be only for gaming.
I might do some rendering later , and probably do some other things.

i do know that games loves higher clock speed instead of more cores ,
but those are games for those days, and i am not going to use it only for games.

About the tesla/quadro , well , i can't afford a server system.

As for the custom water cooling , i do not think that i will have to time to do the maintenance.

And i ofc can't risk a water drop on the system .
And i am totally experienced about this whole cooling issue.
I have only few days experience in normal air cooling .

As for the H100 , could you please give more details on what type are those fans , and why would i buy them.
Also if you may tell me how do i manage the air flow.
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[NotSure]

You don't need that psu for the 2 690. And a h100 in a case like that is going to look so daft.

You would be so much better with a ivy like Josh is saying. It will be about half the price and then you will be able to afford the next mobo/cpu faster when it becomes old. The 2011 cpus and boards will loose there value faster than you think, they are far to over priced.

Ok , do you know what PSU is good if i intend to OC in the future ?
And.
Do you know when will the ivy bridge extreme will be released ?
Or the the new chipset that will support it, or the ROG next mobo release date ?




Do you know how much time do i need to wait ?

 

[Ru5ty_t00l]

what's your budget for this build?

 

[Josh Weston]

Better way of doing things:
Buy a mid-highend system for waaaay less than this, and then when the time comes that games use more cores etc. you can buy new hardware a few years down the line. Much cheaper, and you actually get better performance as a result. Also, it gives you the opportunity to get more new things, which is always good
By the way, two 690s is one of the worst ideas ever...so stop that right now!
What resolution do you play on? Give me 10 mins, and i'll get a list together for you.

 

[NotSure]

Better way of doing things:
Buy a mid-highend system for waaaay less than this, and then when the time comes that games use more cores etc. you can buy new hardware a few years down the line. Much cheaper, and you actually get better performance as a result. Also, it gives you the opportunity to get more new things, which is always good
By the way, two 690s is one of the worst ideas ever...so stop that right now!
What resolution do you play on? Give me 10 mins, and i'll get a list together for you.

I am thinking of an IPS panel ViewSonic VP2770-LED
2560x1440 maxed out.

I do not want less .
I might not be able to buy a system later .

As for the dual 690 being bad idea.
Do you have a better solution to run for example BF3 Maxed on 2560x1440


Keep in mind the motherboard supports x16+x16

 

[Josh Weston]

Why might you not be able to buy a system later? Put all the money that you could save in a savings account until you think you need a new system.
And yes, two 670s would power BF3 at such a res just fine, I believe. Also, because you have such a big resolution, you could turn Anti-Aliasing levels down.

Oh, and another thing, why do you want that case? Most people that want that case do so because they want a lot of space for rads etc., but you're only using a H100? You just like its massiveness?

 

[NotSure]

Why might you not be able to buy a system later? Put all the money that you could save in a savings account until you think you need a new system.
And yes, two 670s would power BF3 at such a res just fine, I believe. Also, because you have such a big resolution, you could turn Anti-Aliasing levels down.

Let us just put it like that.
I am not considering a second system any time soon .
So let's just make this one as if it is the last.

Keep in mind i could wait a bit , if i know for how long will i wait.
And if possible , if you can provide me with reviews of people testing the Quad GPU 690 gtx so that i can check it.

 

[Diablo]

Just my two cents, but really avoid quad SLI. No manufacturer has the time to test the drivers with quad SLI solutions in the same way they do with single and dual cards.
I can honestly say that having Quad crossfire was one of the worst experiences of my life with computers. Unresponsive, glitchy, prone to crashes, stuttering. Go with a 690 or 670s in SLI and be happy with them.

In terms of your build, you are never going to have a "high end build" after several years. It might last longer than two years, but realistically, the technology gets old really quickly. You will find that it is far better to buy high end mainstream processors like the 3770K, and upgrade after 2-3 years than go all out on intel extreme stuff, which is never worth the money.

As a way of for instance, I bought an i7 920 which is still going strong and was replaced in my main rig last year after nearly three years service. The QX9770 it replaced was so awful to live with I replaced it in a year.

In terms of coolers, the H100 is a good piece of kit, but the Cosmos 2 is probably overkill. Still if you like the case go for it, as the case is probably the most individual piece of your build and the bit you look at every day. Choose the wrong one (anything by thermaltack) and it will bite you in the butt, choose a good one (Cosmos II, Silverstone TJ07, TJ11, Lian Li etc.) and it will see you through for a long time.

The corsair fans aren't the best, but you could easily replace them. You would really only need two fans as any more will not show huge gains versus the noise, some people really like push pull so each to their own. 8 fans is ridiculous.

 

[NotSure]

oO
3930k is only less 3MB cache and .1Mhz clock speed.
And is less around 500 dollars !
DaFuQ!


Any way as for the Quad GPU problem i am searching right now.
Hopefully i would come with a decision soon.

 

[nex-s]

Don't want to be a troll, but judging from what was said here and from how much the author knows, is it really worth wasting money on a 3960x, 2x690's and 64Gb's of RAM? Don't think so. 3770k would be more than enough for heavy gaming, as would be 670's SLI. Case is a personal preference and as someone mentioned, it is the thing you'll have to look at all the time, hence one of the most difficult things to decide on. So if Cosmos II is what you like, go for it. P.S. you can also easily render stuff on that kind of system, it'll just take a little bit longer.

Some personal advice - do as other people said, save some money and go with Ivy Bridge, put the rest in a savings account for future rig. ALSO, care for the environment and turn your rig off during the night. It will also save you loads of money on your electricity bill.

 

[NotSure]

Don't want to be a troll, but judging from what was said here and from how much the author knows, is it really worth wasting money on a 3960x, 2x690's and 64Gb's of RAM? Don't think so. 3770k would be more than enough for heavy gaming, as would be 670's SLI. Case is a personal preference and as someone mentioned, it is the thing you'll have to look at all the time, hence one of the most difficult things to decide on. So if Cosmos II is what you like, go for it. P.S. you can also easily render stuff on that kind of system, it'll just take a little bit longer.

Some personal advice - do as other people said, save some money and go with Ivy Bridge, put the rest in a savings account for future rig. ALSO, care for the environment and turn your rig off during the night. It will also save you loads of money on your electricity bill.

I am thinking of 3930k
And did not make my mind yet about the GPUs.

Any way , the important thing is.

How do i manage the airflow with the COSMOS 2 and the H100.
I want to set the H100 to blow the air outside the case cause i do not want hot air inside.

Any suggestions ?

 

[SnW]

Hot air inside will always BE...
push pull on the H100

or if it IS possible, put the rad outside the case ...

 

[NotSure]

Hot air inside will always BE...
push pull on the H100

or if it IS possible, put the rad outside the case ...

Ok , What exactly do you mean by Push pull?

 

[PEXON]

Makes me laugh when people buy cases like the Cosmos and use it for a H100 or a D14. Its a case designed for watercooling, (not well mind)!

 

[NotSure]

Makes me laugh when people buy cases like the Cosmos and use it for a H100 or a D14. Its a case designed for watercooling, (not well mind)!

I buy the case for the ability to water cool later.
maybe in few months , when i get familiar/more experienced with it.

Now , please instead of laughing at me , help me with a proper airflow design

 

[Josh Weston]

Push pull = Fans on both side of the rad, with one side pushing through the fins, and the other pulling through.
And, if you're that worried about it, have the fans exhausting out the top? Just be sure to get your duster/hoover in there a little more often, as the negative pressure may attract some dust in the crevices of the case.

 

[NotSure]

Push pull = Fans on both side of the rad, with one side pushing through the fins, and the other pulling through.
And, if you're that worried about it, have the fans exhausting out the top? Just be sure to get your duster/hoover in there a little more often, as the negative pressure may attract some dust in the crevices of the case.

ok ,
If i am going to place H100 at the top of the case.
I can have 3x120 or 2x140 or 1x200 fan/fans attached to the case at the top. (out/pull from rad)
And 2x120 attached to the H100. (push to rad/out)

Is this what you mean ?

Oh , also do you know how can i try to reach near zero pressure, not negative or positive.

Positive = more hot air inside.
Negative = less air inside.
I think both options are bad , and i do not know what to do