Complete New Build - Advice

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CreedJr

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Hi All,

I am building a new PC, requiring for it to be reliable having a job as a Web/Software Developer as well as enjoying gaming, I am doing a massive upgrade from a stock Asus PC (Nvidia GT 705, 8GB RAM, i5-4460 with some random "286 w" PSU) to my very own custom built PC, to match my monitor scheme which is White and Blue.

I would really appreciate if some of the community members here at OC3D would be able to look over my build and offer their support to my questions as well as their constructive criticism... I really appreciate it!

My List:
- Intel Core i5 7600
- Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4
- Corsair Air Series SP120 Blue LED Fan x 4
- MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Armor OC 6GB
- ASRock B250M-Pro4 Motherboard
- Seagate FireCuda 2TB Desktop SSHD
- Phanteks Eclipse P400 S Tempered Glass Glacier White
- Be Quiet! Pure Power 10 500W CM Power Supply

Budget Status: Just about maxed out with these specs, however willing to invest in a better PSU so I don't ruin the rest of the build (See question 1)

Overall, I have a few questions I would like answered, and yes I know many people have biased opinions about some of these questions and I overall just want to hear constructive feedback.

1. Will my PSU be sufficient for my build? And... Is Be Quiet! A recommended brand? I don't want any Power issues to ruin all the components of my build... Parts are expensive :p

2. I am not too sure about the SSHD's, are they any good, do I invest a lot in a smaller capacity SSD or stick with an SSHD? A friend of mine said they are great for desktops when on a budget and know you don't have to defrag them like you do on a Hard Drive

3. What is the recommended place to put an anti-static wrist strap when building?

4. I was looking at the Cablemod series and was confused what cables I would need to buy to put all of my components together for the build, what is the recommended cables for attaching my PSU to the Motherboard etc?

5. Any extra veteran tips you may add ^_^

I appreciate the replies I will hopefully get from this thread!

Kindest Regards ~ CreedJr
 
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What is your full budget? It makes things a lot easier when we know how much money we are working with when speccing out a rig.
 
I've not heard that the Be Quiet PSU'S are bad so you should be ok with that brand although I always recommend Superflower
 
The 2TB Firecuda is pretty useless for replacing an SSD. It only has a 8gb buffer in which to store imporant files (that are basically learned by the drive). I have a review in this month's Custom PC and yeah, not very good. You are far better off with an SSD and HDD.

They said that if the drive was 4TB and had a 64GB buffer that it would work much better than it does.

I would not buy a BQ PSU either. Firstly they sometimes come with a weird power cable and secondly they are very expensive for what they actually are.

I also would not buy any Intel CPU right now unless it were the Pentium with HT for a budget machine. You would be much better served now and in the long run by a Ryzen 1600.
 
1. 500W is enough. BQ are good but i would recommend Corsair, Seasonic, Leedex,... BQ PSU is also not modular. So you can't swap the cables.
2. 120GB any SSD and a 1TB HDD would be enough for start. You can always add another drive latter. Don't go with hybrid drive.
3. I never used them. Just touch something with ground, or big metal surface, and you are good. If you want to use strap, you can connect it to any part of your skin.
4. Build your PC, and then replace the cables you used. Just make sure you select your PSU brand and model.
5. Go with Ryzen. :D
 
Avet said:
1. 500W is enough. BQ are good but i would recommend Corsair, Seasonic, Leedex,... BQ PSU is also not modular. So you can't swap the cable.
3. I never used them. Just touch something with ground, or big metal surface, and you are good. If you want to use strap, you can connect it to any part of your skin.
5. Go with Ryzen. :D
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!. Superflower make the Leadex series as well as the EVGA supernova

3. I always earth myself out by touching the PSU

5. Agreed
 
Definitely better off with a Ryzen build over a 7600. And assuming you meant just the 7600 and not the k version, you're losing a lot of performance there, which makes Ryzen that much better for you. Cheaper too.
 
NeverBackDown said:
Definitely better off with a Ryzen build over a 7600. And assuming you meant just the 7600 and not the k version, you're losing a lot of performance there, which makes Ryzen that much better for you. Cheaper too.
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I heard Intel is better? I play Arma 3 which requires more cores as it is CPU intensive. (That's as far as I know anyway) being used to Intel I am shy to try an AMD CPU
 
CreedJr said:
I heard Intel is better? I play Arma 3 which requires more cores as it is CPU intensive. (That's as far as I know anyway) being used to Intel I am shy to try an AMD CPU
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They used to be. Now they have competition. And in a lot of cases Ryzen is a better buy over Intel. I haven't seen many results using Arma 3(which doesn't require more cores it requires high IPC/Single threaded performance afaik). You'd have to research that. If they finally fixed there terrible optimization and do prefer more cores now, then AMD is the only option for you with double the cores/threads than any​ Intel CPU you are looking at. But will be cheaper to go Ryzen and it's just a better overall buy over the 7600(non k). If you aren't buying a 7700k, it's pretty pointless to get anything Intel.
 
CreedJr said:
I heard Intel is better? I play Arma 3 which requires more cores as it is CPU intensive. (That's as far as I know anyway) being used to Intel I am shy to try an AMD CPU
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I really wouldn't be shy. As I said in my first post in this thread, the only Intel CPU that makes any sense financially now is the Pentium for around £55. It's an awesome entry level gaming CPU as they have put HT on it. Anything above that works out too expensive when compared to Ryzen.

Right at this second? the Intel I5 *may* have the edge. I really don't know, as I don't play ARMA and don't have a Ryzen (yet, and I stress yet...) however, the 1600 is pretty much bang on terms with the Intel 6850k yet costs £550 in the UK compared to £200 for the Ryzen. That is how much sense Intel CPUs make right now.

It's also a bit naive even buying a quad core CPU these days, because the dynamics are changing fast. I wouldn't say you need an 8 core CPU yet but hex core CPUs are literally going to be the next quad core and there is nothing Intel can do about it. They've kept us on four cores for so long it's crazy, now AMD have put an end to their scroogeness.

Intel will hit back, and before long they will end up having to release a hex core desktop CPU that fits in their standard desktop boards (IE not *99 series etc).

It's far, far more forward thinking to go with Ryzen. Hell, if you want to push for a 1700 then do so as it will last you far longer going into the future. AMD have also somewhat confirmed that their next gen 7nm Ryzen CPUs will also work in their existing AM4 motherboards. You buy a Kabylake now? yeah, you will need a new board for the next Intel tech this time next year.
 
NeverBackDown said:
They used to be. Now they have competition. And in a lot of cases Ryzen is a better buy over Intel. I haven't seen many results using Arma 3(which doesn't require more cores it requires high IPC/Single threaded performance afaik). You'd have to research that. If they finally fixed there terrible optimization and do prefer more cores now, then AMD is the only option for you with double the cores/threads than any​ Intel CPU you are looking at. But will be cheaper to go Ryzen and it's just a better overall buy over the 7600(non k). If you aren't buying a 7700k, it's pretty pointless to get anything Intel.
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I looked at pricing, update being I would be getting the 7600K and over clock it sensibly with an AIO Watercooler.
 
AlienALX said:
I really wouldn't be shy. As I said in my first post in this thread, the only Intel CPU that makes any sense financially now is the Pentium for around £55. It's an awesome entry level gaming CPU as they have put HT on it. Anything above that works out too expensive when compared to Ryzen.

Right at this second? the Intel I5 *may* have the edge. I really don't know, as I don't play ARMA and don't have a Ryzen (yet, and I stress yet...) however, the 1600 is pretty much bang on terms with the Intel 6850k yet costs £550 in the UK compared to £200 for the Ryzen. That is how much sense Intel CPUs make right now.

It's also a bit naive even buying a quad core CPU these days, because the dynamics are changing fast. I wouldn't say you need an 8 core CPU yet but hex core CPUs are literally going to be the next quad core and there is nothing Intel can do about it. They've kept us on four cores for so long it's crazy, now AMD have put an end to their scroogeness.

Intel will hit back, and before long they will end up having to release a hex core desktop CPU that fits in their standard desktop boards (IE not *99 series etc).

It's far, far more forward thinking to go with Ryzen. Hell, if you want to push for a 1700 then do so as it will last you far longer going into the future. AMD have also somewhat confirmed that their next gen 7nm Ryzen CPUs will also work in their existing AM4 motherboards. You buy a Kabylake now? yeah, you will need a new board for the next Intel tech this time next year.
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AMD is really the unknown for me at this stage, and as hard as it is being in the middle of studies maybe I shouldn't build a gaming beast and look at a laptop? These sorts of things should be considered but I'm not 100% sure as I love gaming like probably everyone in this forum ^_^

The reason I was looking at building a new one was because my stock standard ASUS computer's GPU finally died after being pushed too far. Maybe a base new rig with Intel Pentium and a GTX 960 might be okay but I usually buy things to last... Hearing the quad core could soon be outdated though... So many decisions and I only have like a week to get this build finalised to build too!! Ugh :rolleyes:
 
Stop being scared of the AMD CPU's you are really doing yourself a disservice buy only going Intel with the money you can save you can buy a MUCH better system overall and I don't generally recommend going a laptop unless you really need to go portable they are more expensive for less performance and tend to be hotter and living here in Aus I know how much of a problem that can be
 
CreedJr said:
I looked at pricing, update being I would be getting the 7600K and over clock it sensibly with an AIO Watercooler.
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And you'd spend more to get less in return.

Just like I said earlier, the AMD Ryzen 1600 is the best cpu for gaming in regards to price/performance. If you want pure performance, then the Intel 7700k. But even then Ryzen has shown to even best that in some games. You say you want things to last. And Ryzen with better multi threading performance along with having more cores/threads, gaurentees future proof. Or at least more than Intel.
If you only want Intel. Fine. Just know you are making a pretty bad choice for what you want. It is your money after all and if you feel we are wrong, then that's​ that.

I'll still help you whatever platform you choose. We are like family here. Don't always agree or even maybe like each other, but still support each other.
 
Hmmm not much to add here but more cores/threads is the way to go don't be scared of AMD they innovate. I would say if you went Ryzen at least you have 4 years with the same socket so you could just upgrade your CPU unlike if you went the Intel route
 
CreedJr said:
I heard Intel is better? I play Arma 3 which requires more cores as it is CPU intensive. (That's as far as I know anyway) being used to Intel I am shy to try an AMD CPU
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I play ArmA (all of them) and you are right, having experimented with AMD FX (4100 & 6300) and Pentiums (G3258) you'll are right in the knowledge that you need moar cores. 4 minimum and preferably with hyperthreading as ArmA runs much smoother and as NBD has said you need strong IPC too. Any i7 or i5 (4 cores+) post Haswell would be perfect for it, I'm not sure how Ryzen handles it though.
 
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