Car photos/discussion thread

[shambles1980]

xj220 is my fave car, Today its a super car. when it was made it was definatly a hyper car. its still beats modern hyper cars in a drag race and with a stock top speed of about 215-220mph its STILL fasts. But they cut way to many corners and threw in what essentialy was a metro engine.. STILL my fave car. It was the most extreme car of its time (1990's) which is what made it a hyper car. "extreme as in, you probably wont be able to stop it really. and it goes way to fast for the mechanics of it. but its worth it)

the maclaren f1 was just stupid fast with no corners cut.. but at 240mph top speed its hard to call it anything other than a hyper car. also from the 1990's (still needed a lot of disiplin to drive it properly but atleast you had some hope of stopping it)

the vayron touches on 270mph with perfect engineering in 2005 so we are talking 13 years in that time normal little fiestas were now routinely doing over 100mph.
and by 1999 motor cycles were touching 200mph. but in the era of the xj220 and mclaren f1, the fastest road leagal motor cycles were about 150mph..
so in comparison from how fast everything els can go now vs the fastest car now.. it isnt that big of a gap. no where near the gap there was with the xj220 and the f1

i find it hard to call the F1 and xj220 anything other than hyper cars. at that time in history they were the hyper cars. and it took them over 10 years to manage an extra 30mph. and the veyron could still lose in a drag race vs the xj220 or f1.

so i agree they were the genesis of the hyper car. They even had the hyper car price tags.

 

[RamboOC]

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbbrX2Zbrag

 

[barnsley]

lol

Oh wow. To be fair they are alot like the cars they use for pro drifting.

 

[RamboOC]

Oh wow. To be fair they are alot like the cars they use for pro drifting.

I dont understand why normal race cars have a lot of camber like the ones in the vid.
I know when you turn the wheel tilts slighty and the camber compensates for it, but the cars in the vid have way too much camber.

 

[barnsley]

I dont understand why normal race cars have a lot of camber at the front like the ones in the vid.
I know when you turn the wheel tilts slighty and the camber compensates for it, but the cars in the vid have way too much camber.

IT makes sense for V8 supercars and touring cars to have camber like that due to how the corners are and the such. It also helps in drifting as well. I can't find the damn article which explained why otherwise I'd post it. Forza actually explains it very well.

 

[shadow]

IT makes sense for V8 supercars and touring cars to have camber like that due to how the corners are and the such. It also helps in drifting as well. I can't find the damn article which explained why otherwise I'd post it. Forza actually explains it very well.

That car was a test in camber setting, it never raced because they found using extreme camber was a disadvantage.
The pic is from the goodwood fos, that car has been a few times.
Another point of note, its using bike tyres because at that camber level it destroyed the normal car tyres.

 

[shadow]

I dont understand why normal race cars have a lot of camber like the ones in the vid.
I know when you turn the wheel tilts slighty and the camber compensates for it, but the cars in the vid have way too much camber.

As with everything on a race car its a compromise, for example look at drag cars they have 0 camber because they need the biggest contact patch for traction and they don't go round corners.

For the front axel its about pressure loads in the corners, so if going round a right hand corner its the left hand wheel carrying most of the load, so it forces the wheel to the outside (if running loads of camber) that side will standup giving you a bigger contact patch for the tyre on that side, conversely it reduces the right hand side.

On the straights it will heat up the inside shoulder of the tyre first, if they are running to much it can make the car unstable.

When we were running formula fords, we were normally only using 1 degree of camber because the control tyre (dunlop) would wear out very quickly on the inside shoulder if using anymore.

I hope that helps mate.

 

[shadow]

and by 1999 motor cycles were touching 200mph. but in the era of the xj220 and mclaren f1, the fastest road leagal motor cycles were about 150mph..

Using 1992 as an example, the fastest thing on the streets was the fireblade 893cc it would top 160 with a good example, as power figures for them varied widely from 105 up to 112bhp (rear wheel).

As for touching 200mph in 1999 i take it you are talking about the busa, truth is they couldn't get near 200 despite the claims of suzuki.
194 is the highest i have seen, but that was on a hand picked bike, making more power than stock anyway, not tuned just using a blue printed engine from hand picked parts, most of the early ones got into the 186 area not much more.
Other manufactures claimed the new bike would get to the double ton, but in reality none of them could either specifically the zx12 and cbr1100 (blackbird).
Then with the introduction of the gentleman's agreement 186 mph limit, that's what they all listed as the top speed after I think 2002.

 

[shadow]

For an example just how fast a bike is.

Lets talk 1\4 mile times.
Maclaren F1 : 11.1 @138mph
Jaguar xj220 : 11.7@125mph
1992 fireblade 10.8@sorry don't have the terminal speed.
1999 busa 10.2 @ again sorry they don't list the terminal speed.

My R1 (06) 10.2@145mph I have the slip for this one at santa pod.
(get one of these for 4k now)

Veyron is 9.9 @ 146mph.

 

[JR23]

Just thought i'd post about camber while installing Win7 again grhhh...

Firstly negative camber is when the top of the wheels are closer together than the bottom and static camber is what the suspension setup is set to when the car is at rest and obviously on the ground.

The ideal value to get the most possible traction in a corner is -1 degree although the tire will give a small window very close to peak grip from something like -0.8 to -1.4. The most traction in a straight line either accelerating or braking is when the camber is 0 and it quickly falls off as you go past 1 degree in either direction. When a car corners however it rolls and ideally the suspension geometry would compensate perfectly for this roll by reducing the camber of the outside wheel by the same amount as the car rolls. However without insane looking suspension that would also have to be extremely heavy that is not possible. So to maintain the camber somewhere in the region of -1 degree as the car rolls it's often advantageous to run an exaggerated static camber.

It seems to be fashionable these days to set a car up with extreme amounts of negative static camber, this is purely for aesthetics or to get the wheels higher in the arches and the whole car lower to the ground. This will drastically reduce the amount of grip that can be developed in a straight line or while cornering. Hence drifters would run this setup as the discipline is not focused around maximum cornering speed or acceleration.

JR

 

[barnsley]

Man I love what Japan does to Lambos. They look so daft but to be honest I kinda like it.

 

[barnsley]

-revive-
JDM as F**k brah
Toyota Classic.

 

[RamboOC]

Man I love what Japan does to Lambos. They look so daft but to be honest I kinda like it.

Looks a bit to plasticky

 

[barnsley]

Looks a bit to plasticky

Its not really the best example (although most are a bit like that) I just like the indivduality of them.

 

[voodoografix]

Originally Posted by barnsley
Man I love what Japan does to Lambos. They look so daft but to be honest I kinda like it. I have to agree Barnsley it looks pretty sweet . Though I'm not strictly into modern cars , hotrods and ratrods are my kinda thing . Street fighters and chops .

 

[barnsley]

ahem. Total beast.

 

[Warchild]

They were super cars, not hyper cars

What you need to remember regardless of what was around nothing went mainstream until the Veyron, say what you will regardless of the baggage it comes with, its a monumental mildstone in the automotive industry

The reason its gets beat by other hyper cars is purely down to weight, there is no hyper car which offers everything the veyron does, in order to save weight you need to sacrifice, air con, stereo, comfy seats, chassis design, suspension, obviously unsprung weight.

Designing a car to achieve what the veyron done is stupidly difficult, like seriously what they have done with the car deserves the biggest respects and credit! Doesnt matter if its not the fastest thing in the world now, its been years since it was released, technology gets better

4770K >>> 3770K

Considering the Veyron has a whopping 64 valves in its engine. It gives you a glimpse of how perfectly that engine was crafted. It wasn't intended to be a production line. Considering it sold each car at a massive loss, Bugatti were attempting to reinstate themselves and shout to everyone "we are still here". People who can afford these cars dont choose them just because they are fast. No one really cares if XX hyper cars can beat it. Its a status symbol. Don't think people like the £1.2million a year insurance tag on it either, unless they want it for other reasons than speed.

Veyron is still a remarkable breakthrough in technology. With 2 V8 engines merged together to provide its W-16 Engine.. wow, just wow

On a funny note. At top speed, burning 1.3 Gallons a minute, it would be funny to watch the fuel tank level falling as you drive

 

[Mysterae]

I've been quiet on the forum lately, and the reason? During the summer months I turn my attention away from pc's and towards my Esprit . Surprised I've not posted in this thread before, or at can't remember if I have...

It's been a busy year working on it, currently just finished refitting the water pump I refurb'd and replacing the cam belt and other belts. I find it enjoyable working on it, although it can be a pita at times. Finding the time to do the big jobs...

Can you spot the computer component in the image above? . Purely a temporary measure!

 

[TPC]

I find cars of wich you dont expect a thing most intresting, saw some nice Mitsubishi Colts today with... well.. a dual turbo 660bhp 4wd in them... i fell in love D:
Edit: Thats one nice lotus! Its an Esprit isnt it?

 

[MrKambo]

i mighe be wrong but can i see a molex in there?

Thats looks like a beautiful example of an Esprit, how does it drive?