BBC News - UK Email and web monitoring laws 'to be brought in soon'

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AndyMosh

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So I thought you guys should be interested in this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-17595209

You might have seen it on the news, basically this lets the government peek into what we do on the internet, whether it's reading our e-mails, monitoring what websites we visit etc

This is serious, if this passes our privacy is a thing of the past, they say it's for our security... I don't buy it.

There is a petition here so I suggest you sign it if you don't want this to escalate and be put into place, also contacting your local MP is a good idea too.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/32400

Use this to search for your local MP and how to contact them.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/
 
Signed that one too, thanks for the link. I think it's just plain idiotic of them to think they can get away with this. Especially when in the middle east countries have mass protested over this sort of thing.
 
This proposal has raised a lot of attention, and pretty much everyone (including me) is against this plan. My guess is that enough people will petition against this and the government will have to have a rethink. Let's be honest here though, who the hell wants all of their internet activities tracked? It's a pretty scary thought for some, and imo it's a disgusting idea wanting to track everyone's internet info.
 
Curious thing at the moment is that we don't know the plan, we just have the speculation. Great how the internet and the speculation rallies so much enthusiasm. I wish we as a society had an equal amount of passion for other things that are certainties.

However, the date this first came out - I did see the date and think perhaps.

I do also have no doubt that monitoring is already happening, and if you chose to send an email, even to yourself, with a dozen or so chosen words, the fbi would be at your door in a matter of hours.

I'd wait to see what the full proposal actually is before getting too angry about the spin. There has to be a certain level of privacy as emails are almost regarded as mail - and the queen would have her knickers in a twist if all of that could be read. But you have bank details etc etc - moved from snail mail to email. Be interesting.

.. and in terms of signing online petitions, what they really going to do ?
 
Rastalovich said:
Curious thing at the moment is that we don't know the plan, we just have the speculation. Great how the internet and the speculation rallies so much enthusiasm. I wish we as a society had an equal amount of passion for other things that are certainties.

However, the date this first came out - I did see the date and think perhaps.

I do also have no doubt that monitoring is already happening, and if you chose to send an email, even to yourself, with a dozen or so chosen words, the fbi would be at your door in a matter of hours.

I'd wait to see what the full proposal actually is before getting too angry about the spin. There has to be a certain level of privacy as emails are almost regarded as mail - and the queen would have her knickers in a twist if all of that could be read. But you have bank details etc etc - moved from snail mail to email. Be interesting.

.. and in terms of signing online petitions, what they really going to do ?
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Hence why i've put a link up so you can contact your local MP, and nobody has passion for this government anymore, in my opinion they couldn't have done a worse job.
 
To be honest I can't see this happening, it's too much of an invasion of privacy and it would never get passed.

Like Rasta said though, this monitoring is already happening, it's just not made public and the police, MI5 and anti terror units etc can't act upon it with out it being legally done. This bill will allow it to happen more openly making it easier to arrest people without having to go through legal channels first. I doubt that the police would waste their time on the average joe though, there are to many people to monitor all at once and it would be a waste of police resources, this would mainly be used on major criminals, criminal organizations, and terrorist.

If you do nothing wrong though you have nothing to worry about, it's not like this information will be made public, saying that though I still don't agree with it and I will be signing the petition.
 
Signed the petition. I agree with the last two comments in that we are probably already being monitored in some form or another.
 
this has been a long time coming tbh, makes the our government complete and utter hypocrites and not meaning to sound like a knob but this is so they can keep an eye on muslims they arent really fussed about other the right wing groups of other religions / organisations
 
Ruthless said:
this has been a long time coming tbh, makes the our government complete and utter hypocrites and not meaning to sound like a knob but this is so they can keep an eye on muslims they arent really fussed about other the right wing groups of other religions / organisations
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Yup, I'm inclined to agree as the few bad apples give the whole religion a bad name and whenever there is talk of terrorists you almost always hear the word Islamist along side it. When a none-muslim kills innocent people he/she is either branded as psychotic or they say he/she has mental problems.
 
yassarikhan786 said:
Yup, I'm inclined to agree as the few bad apples give the whole religion a bad name and whenever there is talk of terrorists you almost always hear the word Islamist along side it. When a none-muslim kills innocent people he/she is either branded as psychotic or they say he/she has mental problems.
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or a white supremacist
 
e-petition signed.
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this is being done already ...this just to legalize it..any who believe they still have privacy is naive
 
More people die from diabetes, heart disease, smoking and car accidents than terrorist attacks. And that isn't combined, each one of those things kills more people (50 to 100x more people) than terrorism does. And yet we spend much more time and money trying to fight terrorism.

The 2005 July attacks in London were bad but in the grand scheme of things it isn't worth spending billions of pounds and giving up our freedoms and the right to privacy. When we start doing this the terrorists have won. They have turned government against its own people and then we become enemies of the state.

Sometimes I feel the government just needs something to do some reason to justify all the money they have to spend on things so they come up with ridiculous laws like these. It makes me angry as a UK citizen.
 
I don't want to single out any posts here but some seem to be missing the point.

If someone was a terrorist or a pedo etc they would likely hide data using encryption and darknets etc (so listening in isn't going to help)

There are already laws where the UK Government can request data from ISP's (the ISP's cannot deny the request) on a case-by-case basis.

The new proposed changes would mean instead of having a case-by-case basis they could blanket everyone treating them as guilty until proven innocent aswell as keeping data on the average user (people who don't intentionally hide things using encryption etc)

Conservative lawmaker David Davis remarked, “It is not focusing on terrorists or criminals. It is absolutely everybody…This is an unnecessary extension of the ability of the state to snoop on ordinary innocent people in vast numbers.”
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/...oring-every-email-phone-call-and-text-message
 
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