Asus Z97 ROG Based Boards

[barnsley]

See I've owned a E6600, Q6600, E8600, 2600K, 3700K and 4770K.

On the AMD side I've had a Phenom II 1100T, FX 8150, FX 8350 and FX 9590.

As in actually owned or worked on? If I took builds I've done for others/helped friends with/repaired I'd defiantly say I've got a load of experience with the whole intel/amd caboodle. I'd say alot of critism of AMD is a bit out of date and downright double standards in some cases (this is not a dig at anyone btw, more so at some other communities out there). The same time I'd also say that AMD have lost against intel with anything high end/compute heavy. Hence my planned move.
Alot of comparisons people make also don't take the price into account. If you were able to get a 8350 that can do 4.8ghz or higher (not that hard) with a semi decent AIO/air cooler you'd still have spent less then the 4930k (imo the 4960x is not a chip that should be used for comparisons). Then again if you want to spend that much on a cpu, you should atleast have the money for a blooming hyper 212 cpu cooler at the very least .

AMD's recent efforts are defiantly nothing to shout about, then again, excluding a few lovely price/performance chips (8320, Athlon 750k) they've never shook the world since the phenom x6. IF things were more like the gpu 'wars' we'd all be much more happier.

 

[Dicehunter]

As in actually owned or worked on?

Quoting myself here -

See I've owned a E6600, Q6600, E8600, 2600K, 3700K and 4770K.

On the AMD side I've had a Phenom II 1100T, FX 8150, FX 8350 and FX 9590.

Not worked on or had a play around with a friends computer but actually owned, Benchmarked, Gamed on, Rendered with and sadly nothing has topped Intels offerings but I hope that changes in the future as currently the CPU market competition is stagnant.

 

[barnsley]

What did I type ? "OWNED", Not worked on or had a play around with a friends computer but actually owned, Benchmarked, Gamed on, Rendered with and sadly nothing has topped Intels offerings.

Yet you're very quiet about amd cpus, sorry to play the idiot .

Funny, because excluding rendering I've never really noticed massive perfomance differences with my cpu compared to an i5. I borrowed my friend's rig when I was really needing some extra juice for UDK map work(3570k, 16gb corsair LP, hyper 212 evo, evga 680 2gb,some lower end asus mobo and a phantom 530 ). Stock clocks. I spent two weeks with it and I'd like to think that it gave me a nice experience of "intel supremacy". I also should add all the pcs I've worked on I usually spend quite a bit of time on. Gaming is almost always the main purpose of said rigs so it makes sense to try them out. Not all the rigs are top of the range either, so I must say I've experienced the part in which amd is more competitive (aka budget orientated).
Comparing top of the line AMD with top of line intel (or near as) is a bit silly as everyone knows that, excluding games like battlefield and crysis, intel's stuff will come out slightly on top. Some would even say that the different in frame rate isn't worth the extra unless you're benching, but then again benching software favors stronger cores over using multiple cores. Its the i7 vs i5 in gaming argument imo.

 

[Dicehunter]

Well from all the things I've experienced AMD are great if your on a budget, But if you want the best and I'm not talking a 4960x, Then you go Intel.

For gaming yeah sure AMD are close to Intel at times but at everything else they fall behind.

 

[iiBetrayforAR]

Well from all the things I've experienced AMD are great if your on a budget, But if you want the best and I'm not talking a 4960x, Then you go Intel.

/argument

 

[Dicehunter]

/argument

Don't you mean /thread ^_^

 

[barnsley]

Well from all the things I've experienced AMD are great if your on a budget, But if you want the best and I'm not talking a 4960x, Then you go Intel.

AMD are better for a budget gaming build/middling gaming build. Intel is better for pretty much everything else. Like I've said.
I love how this dissolved into a 'intel is better because etc' discussion from me saying I'm changing my rig as I need an intel cpu for rendering. ALL I SAID IS AMD ISN'T THAT BAD. Sheesh

 

[Zoot]

Now the 8350/9590 is a great chip but see the problem is having seen both sides of the fence I have a clear picture of which is better for games, Programs etc... and it is the Intel variant.

The result is logically and clearly the higher end Intel choice, Based on heat output, Power needed etc... and AMD at the moment are not good in those 2 areas.

Power draw is irrelevant. Zero difference in electricity cost unless you run the thing 24/7. I don't know why people make such a big deal over it, it's like everybody has bought into Intels marketing shenanigans like SDP. (not targeting anyone in particular here, just in general). Example for myself:
http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?p=642899#post642899

For games, anything that can produce more than a steady 60fps gets a pass in my book. For this reason I can't notice a difference when it comes to most configs. I was actually curious when the reviews were all shouting from the rooftops about how crap the FX-8350 was for gaming, but yet I couldn't notice the difference between my own one and my friends overclocked 3770k in games. Must be getting old.

Although yeah, AM3+ is pretty long in the tooth now. The 990FX is basically a die shrunk version of the 890FX chipset which dates all the way back to 2009.

 

[Dicehunter]

Power draw is irrelevant.

Higher power draw = more heat

That's why people weren't happy about it and the FX chips tend to run hot.

I do hope AMD pull their finger out and bring us something that totally knocks Intel off the podium though

 

[Zoot]

Higher power draw = more heat

Which, given the differences we're talking about are irrelevant if you've good airflow.

Bear in mind a high end graphics card puts out a lot more heat than any CPU. Twice, even three times as much sometimes, you're going to need good airflow for that anyway, and honestly, if having a CPU with a 125W TDP is a huge problem over one with an 84W TDP, then you've far far bigger problems on your hand.

EDIT: More on-topic, what actually is the point of the Z97 chipset over the Z87 one? Aside from the Broadwell CPU support?

 

[Dicehunter]

Which, given the differences we're talking about are irrelevant if you've good airflow.

Bear in mind a high end graphics card puts out a lot more heat than any CPU. Twice, even three times as much sometimes, you're going to need good airflow for that anyway, and honestly, if having a CPU with a 125W TDP is a huge problem over one with an 84W TDP, then you've far far bigger problems on your hand.

EDIT: More on-topic, what actually is the point of the Z97 chipset over the Z87 one? Aside from the Broadwell CPU support?

Hi welcome to the enthusiast community were such things as power draw and heat matter ^_^

I think it's mainly M.2 support, Slightly better thermals and less power draw.

Pretty much the same as a 3770K to a 4770K.

 

[barnsley]

Higher power draw = more heat

That's why people weren't happy about it and the FX chips tend to run hot.

I do hope AMD pull their finger out and bring us something that totally knocks Intel off the podium though

We all do as that means price wars

Never had an FX chip run hot (even a 9590) unless the cooler was misaligned/daft OC/stock cooler.

 

[Dicehunter]

We all do as that means price wars

Never had an FX chip run hot (even a 9590) unless the cooler was misaligned/daft OC/stock cooler.

They run a little too hot for my tastes especially the 9590, Damn that thing could cook an egg ^_^

 

[barnsley]

They run a little too hot for my tastes especially the 9590, Damn that thing could cook an egg ^_^

You're doing it wrong then . I managed to get one running fine on air @5ghz. Albeit it was with the Noctua N14. Maxed out at around 45c after 4hours running at 100%. I enjoy a challenge y'see. The guy wants that 360 rad AIO now he's seen one.
TBH with the 9590 you either get a golden egg or a dying cow which needs more volts then Las Vegas to stay on the guaranteed clock.

Hi welcome to the enthusiast community were such things as power draw and heat matter ^_^

Overclocking shouldn't be as common then ^_^. It'd all be about undervolting.

 

[Dicehunter]

You're doing it wrong then . I managed to get one running fine on air @5ghz. Albeit it was with the Noctua N14. Maxed out at around 45c after 4hours running at 100%. I enjoy a challenge y'see. The guy wants that 360 rad AIO now he's seen one.
TBH with the 9590 you either get a golden egg or a dying cow which needs more volts then Las Vegas to stay on the guaranteed clock.



Overclocking shouldn't be as common then ^_^. It'd all be about undervolting.

You best get in touch with every reviewer out there then as they didn't see temps lower than 80's under load, Guess you got a reviewers golden sample ^_^

Clearly you don't understand my comment properly, Power draw and heat matter to the enthusiast community, Why ?
Because if the power and heat to start out with are quite low this gives a good indication that you have headroom for overclocking.

Anyway enough said, This is starting to grate and go around in circles, Soon we'll be having pissing competitions.

 

[Zoot]

Hi welcome to the enthusiast community were such things as power draw and heat matter ^_^ .

Not nearly as much as you're making out. If you actually cared about power draw and heat you wouldn't be running overclocks, multiple graphics cards, or high-end CPUs. You can bet (in your case) that 4770k at 4.6GHz isn't running at an 84W TDP anymore.

I'll never get why people make such a big deal about power consumption, particularly those that come along and overclock the crap out of their hardware. If power consumption actually mattered that much we'd all be running low end setups like an Athlon 5150.

Having said all that, I wouldn't buy a 9590 though since it's going to need an AIO or something, but the standard FX CPUs although dated are still good budget buys. And not to mention, if we're talking temperatures, the new Intel CPUs (Haswell & Ivy Bridge) aren't exactly super uber cool there either.

EDIT: (Adding an on-topic part)

I think it's mainly M.2 support, Slightly better thermals and less power draw.

Pretty much the same as a 3770K to a 4770K.

The better thermals are coming later I think, and the power draw will likely be the same, certainly not a difference to get worked up over. Nothing to get too excited about anyway.

Are you upgrading? You're one of the champions around here for needless and highly expensive upgrades.

 

[Dicehunter]

Are you upgrading? You're one of the champions around here for needless and highly expensive upgrades.

Hell no, I made that mistake last time when I swapped from Z77 to Z87, Huge waste of time and money.

 

[Dragonheart]

Asus Maximus ranger vii

Does anyone know if I could fit 2 evga sc gtx 780 ti in this motherboard comfertably as was going for the matrix platinum in sli but looking at oc3d latest video it looks like the cards would not fit or overheat? Would the Maximus vii hero be better or the same spacing of the PCI slots?

 

[tinytomlogan]

Does anyone know if I could fit 2 evga sc gtx 780 ti in this motherboard comfertably as was going for the matrix platinum in sli but looking at oc3d latest video it looks like the cards would not fit or overheat? Would the Maximus vii hero be better or the same spacing of the PCI slots?

What board are you actually on about?

 

[Feronix]

What board are you actually on about?

Post is titled "Asus Maximus ranger vii" so I'm assuming he means that one.

But yes, you can use this board for 2-way SLI and have one empty slot in between for airflow.