Andre's Z77 Personal Rig

Didn't want to hijack your thread so I posted the design in my own thread, there ya go :)
http://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?p=579705#post579705

As far as Ivy Bridge go, yeah... They're known to get a fair bit hotter than Sandys, due to their smaller die but I've also heard something about Intel using cheap thermal paste between the die and heatspreader :(


it looks interesting but just wondering is there a particular reason you are looking for a non traditional fan setup vs just using the normal setup and adjusting the fans to control the air pressure in the case?

personally I would not want the psu face down just for aesthetic sake and same goes for the rear fan set to intake, not a fan of the look of that, same applies for the fan in the bottom. all of this is just minor things that i'm fussy about though.

i can say that with the normal stock fans just setup normally and running at about 50-60% the airflow is very good and there are no issues at all and its not very loud either when the fans are running at around 50%
 
Well, I personally like it better when the PSU fan is facing down and as I'm making a "basement" in the case anyway (for aesthetic reasons) it must be facing down or it would suffocate.

For the rear fan I can do nothing but agree with you, and I dont actually want to do this but I just really want positive air pressure as it'll be an all black build and black and dust don't get along very well :rolleyes:

That's why I was thinking of mounting the H100i as an intake, which would create positive air pressure and I could still leave my rear fan untouched. Reasons I'm replacing the fans are that I've heard Corsair stock fans are noisy and I *love* the look of the Bitfenix ones :3

I'm all open for suggestions mate! Thanks for the advice so far!



And the Ivy Bridges... Yeah, you weren't the only one that was disappointed but there isn't really anything that you can do :( However, they're fast chips out-of-the-box anyway and most games and such aren't all that CPU intensive :)
 
Well, I personally like it better when the PSU fan is facing down and as I'm making a "basement" in the case anyway (for aesthetic reasons) it must be facing down or it would suffocate.

For the rear fan I can do nothing but agree with you, and I dont actually want to do this but I just really want positive air pressure as it'll be an all black build and black and dust don't get along very well :rolleyes:

That's why I was thinking of mounting the H100i as an intake, which would create positive air pressure and I could still leave my rear fan untouched. Reasons I'm replacing the fans are that I've heard Corsair stock fans are noisy and I *love* the look of the Bitfenix ones :3

I'm all open for suggestions mate! Thanks for the advice so far!



And the Ivy Bridges... Yeah, you weren't the only one that was disappointed but there isn't really anything that you can do :( However, they're fast chips out-of-the-box anyway and most games and such aren't all that CPU intensive :)



that is true, i end up cleaning mine a lot with the air compressor because i am constantly fiddling with it, but one thign i noticed is that the rubber grommetes get very dusty looking and they are hard to clean so they end up looking sort of grey.

the basement idea is an interesting one, i'd be interested to see how it looks in the 650D. One thing I like about basements is you can get light boxes to install on top of the basement and it loosk very subtle and nice i like it vs LEDs which are quite flashy and not very subtle.

http://www.coldzero.eu/product.php?id_product=1157

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i rarely see people using these and i think thats a bit of a shame because i absolutely love the effect

That's true they definitely are great chips even at stock and overkill for most games anyway. Even though the actual cpu grunt isn't entirely needed for games , I did find that my 7950 does perform a lot better with the new platform vs my old X58 system and my SSD did perform faster too and all the really modern features with the MSI board are a lot of fun.

what cpu are you using/how do you like it?
 
Hi guys.

I spent more time on the case this evening with my dad. I drilled proper holes for the fans and mounted them with grommets to put some space in between them and the mesh, and that took care of the noise from the front mesh area.

My dad had a look at the stiff crappy 650d power button and he was able to fix it so that it makes a proper click when you press it and it feels less stuck and more free.

Photo and video update coming soon!
 
I love the look on the MPower board. Sometimes wish the yellow would disappear from it though.

Same here. I like yellow, black, and I like yellow and black, but I do think I would like it more if it were 100% black. Not like you can really see it much anyway once you've got a big cooler and a graphics card(s) I never really notice the yellow on mine.
 
Fitting Noctua NF-P12 Fans, part 2 & 650D Power Button Fix

Alright, so if anyone has gotten to know me at all during the time I've been here, you will know that I am extremely fussy about just about everything, so naturally it did not take me long to become dissatisfied with that previous fan mounting job in the last post, because let's face it, it really was have baked.

What it was, though, is a good test fitting and trial run type thing and it gave me a good idea of what I wanted to do.

So last night I spent some time and mounted the fans properly, and we also were able to work on a few other things which I am very pleased about.

Here is another extremely detailed post with many pictures as usual.



If you remember the way the Noctua fans were fitted in the previous posts, the top of the one fan was screwed into the mesh and the bottom of the other fan was scred into the mesh as well. The top of the one fan and the bottom of the other fan were not screwed in at all, to make matters worse the 200mm round mesh area was raised a few milometers from the rest of the case, so the fans were raised a few mm at the top and the bottom etc.

This was a 'functional' method and it worked 'fine' but fine just isn't good enough to make me pleased with a job, so I set out to mount them properly.


I had two tasks I wanted to accomplish when mounting the fans this time. The first was that I wanted the fans screwed into all 4 holes each, so that meant drilling some additional holes in the case. The next though was I wanted to eliminate , or at least minimize the noise that appeared the be from the front mesh area.

I've heard people talking about cutting out the front mesh area out of the 650D to eliminate resistance noise from the front fan, so on that basis I had been thinking that it was being caused by the mesh itself creating turbulence noise. My dad however had a different take on it. He noticed that the circle shape mesh at the front was not massively different in terms of how open it was then the mesh at the top, and that is something that I had noticed as well. He also noticed that the noise from the front stopped right when the fans were turned off, rather than continuing a bit until it spun down, which indicates that it is a noise related to the motor of the fan, that is being transferred to the frame of the case in a way that is different to the top fans, creating an amplification of the motor noise because of the way the fan is attached to the front panel of the case.


My dad conjectured that the metal screws may have been the cause of the motor noise transfer, so he said if we used, for example the silicone mounting pegs that come with the Noctua fans, that it would likely solve the noise transfer issue.

But I had a different approach I wanted to try. I wasn't too keen on the Noctua silicone pegs when I initially tried them a while ago because they just didn't fasten the fan very tightly and it flops around a bit. More importantly I wanted to have the fans straightened out to offset the raised mesh section, so I wanted to use 1 rubber grommet for the non mesh area screws and 2 rubber grommets in the mesh area so that it would even it out and the fans would be level vertically.


I also wanted to have the fans 4-6mm behind the mesh, because when I tested the fans just in my hand holding it right up against the mesh it would make the resistance noise, but when i held it back behind the mesh a few milometers it did not make the noise anymore.

So that leaves two possibilities , either the fan being up close to the mesh is causing the resistance noise, and having it back a few mm would solve that, or it was the actual metal screws making the connection with the case that was causing a transfer of vibration, and in that case it wasn't doing it because I was holding the fan in my hand.



So only one way the find out which it was, I fitted the noctua fans that way I had in mind, with 2 grommets in the mesh area and 1 on the outside so there was a good 5-6 mm space between the fan and the mesh, maybe even 7 or 8 if you factor in the 2-3mm of raise that the mesh itself has over the rest of the front of the case.

Anyway I mounted the fans with the space between the mesh and the rubber grommets and the fans no longer made the resistance noise. So the point is you don't need the cut the mesh right out to get rid of the resistance noise, you just need to put a couple of grommets in and put more space in between the fan and the mesh area.






Now for some pictures.


This time I ventured into the basement to work because my dad and sister were down there.

a bit of top gear as I worked. this is my sisters desk and you can see her lowly 932 down there under the metal shelf


here is my dad's computer and setup



i got out my test fit fans again and used them to drill the holes. i screwed them into the mesh on the outside of the case and used the top holes of the fan as guides as I drilled the holes. this marked where the right place for the holes were, but also stopped the bit from slipping












Same method for the bottom fan












here is the grommets layout I wanted












very pleased with how the fans looked when mounted with the grommets. i always liked the look of fans when they were mounted 6mm+ behind mesh.







Another thing I did was move the HDD cage into the middle area mount. I never really liked how the cables looked split off and running into the front area of the case. I like the look of the cables here much better. now all the cables are in the rear 60% of the case or so.






i like the look of the new space around the front chamber of the case as well







Of course I'm fussy so I had to get out a level to make sure the fans were mounted just right






Here is a look at the grommets behind the mesh

















































































Okay, so mounting the fans was the first thing I set out to do, then moving the hard drives for extra space at the front and more airflow from the front was another thing, then the third thing I wanted to do was fix the stiff power button on the 650D.

I have already make a separate post about this here, so I will copy and paste that here.




Corsair Obsidian 650D Stiff Power Button Fix


"This is going to be part of my next project log update, but I've heard a few people complain about this, so I figured it is worth a separate post.

Basically the power button sits too tightly in the cutout and the way it's designed it has to slide forward a bit when you push it, so when it's too tight the button rubs against the cutout that it's in when you push it and it feels stiff to push and you can't hear any click.

What you have to do to fix it is make the little hole that the button is held on with a little bit larger so that it as space to move around a tiny bit and that that way it isn't rubbing against the cutout any longer when you push it.

You can do it with a soldering iron and then user something that is the right size to hold the hole open as the plastic dries, but be careful, because the plastic is thin and it's easy to heat it to much and ruin the little hole all together.


Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCiPM9bMD7s




The end result of all this is that the front fans make exactly the same amount of noise as the fans in the roof, and I can have all 4 of the case fans on full speed as well as the NH-D14 on full speed and it isn't loud at all.
 
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Looks really nice so far :D


Thanks man! The main two things I didn't like about this case when I first got it was the loud fan at the front and the stiff crappy power button. Now the fans at the front make exactly the same amount of noise as the ones on the roof and even with all 4 case fans at 100% you can barely even hear it!

Next I'm probably going to pick up another NZXT white LED kit 200mm and put that in, but instead of using the extremely flimsy crappy clips they give you I will get another pack of those very high quality mounting points I used for the cables and use those to mount it so it will never be moving anywhere ;)

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I don't really like having LED's on most of the time, but I do like having some lights inside that case that I can turn on when I want to show the inside of the case, you know? I like the NZXT white kit for that because any color other than white doesn't show the actual hardware as it really is.
 
Hi Andre,
Good job on the fans , how is the noise level ? did that quiet them down a bit?
That makes me wonder if it would do the same thing if you were to put grommets or spacers on the 200mm fans in the front , that might be something I will try.
I ordered a Cooler Master 200mm blue fan for the front of my case and the rest will be Corsair fans , so I will be doing some experimenting.
Tell your dad good job on the power button , I will have to check that out a little closer on my case.
I'm still looking for the LP mounting bases , the ones I've seen here so far are not that flat .
My order should be here by the end of the week , I can't wait to get started.
I might need to ask you a few questions on setup, if I could.
 
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Hi Andre,
Good job on the fans , how is the noise level ? did that quiet them down a bit?
That makes me wonder if it would do the same thing if you were to put grommets or spacers on the 200mm fans in the front , that might be something I will try.
I ordered a Cooler Master 200mm blue fan for the front of my case and the rest will be Corsair fans , so I will be doing some experimenting.
Tell your dad good job on the power button , I will have to check that out a little closer on my case.
I'm still looking for the LP mounting bases , the ones I've seen here so far are not that flat .
My order should be here by the end of the week , I can't wait to get started.
I might need to ask you a few questions on setup, if I could.



Hey,
thanks! the noise is not even in the same league.

the front fans make the exact same amount of noise now as the top ones (which is not much at all) with all 4 noctuas running at their full 1200rpm speed you can hear it a bit but it really almost not even noticeable, with all the fans on their low noise rpm (800rpm) they are near silent and still move a massive amount of air. Noctua really is an amazing brand the performance and silence you get is just unbelievable.

If you use the stock fans or other types of fans I imagine you will be able to get it to be quieter with spacers or grommets, but the 200mm stock fans are much much louder than noctua fans at full speed.

The 200mm fans that come with the corsair are the type of fans that are obviously not even trying to be quiet at full speed. They do 1000rpm max and they are immensely loud at that rate, even without the mesh at the front. You can run them at around 600 rpm and they are not bad at that pace, but 2X 120mm Noctua fans at their full speed is about as quiet as the one corsair fan at 600rpm. If I had to guess I'd say the Corsair is at least 40bBA because the 600T fans at 800rpm and they are 24dBA, but the ones that come in the 650D are almost half as loud at 800rpm then they are at 1000, its 800rpm and above that they get really loud.

I'd say definitely add spacers or grommets to whatever fan you use at the front because it really does make all the difference.

Yes, he is a really technical person (he is an Electronics Technician) and he's really good with that sort of stuff. Just be really careful when you do it though if you do because the hole that the screw goes though just has a tiny bit of plastic around it so it is easy to burn right through it if you're not careful.

I'm not sure what the LP mounting bases are? What are they used for mounting

I'm excited to see what you come up with!
 
Nice choice on the noctuas, I have 9 of them waiting to go on my Phobya 1080 rad. They are by far my fan of choice, if only I could get them in more colors ;)
 
Nice choice on the noctuas, I have 9 of them waiting to go on my Phobya 1080 rad. They are by far my fan of choice, if only I could get them in more colors ;)


Noctua is my favourite, much better quality than anything I've seen really. They are just amazing how quiet they are even on full speed!

I'm currently working on drilling holes for the bottom half of the bottom fan, will have another update shortly with that!
 
nice work again mister :) i like how the fans are mounted in the front... nice job

Thanks man! tonight I drilled holes in the bottom half for the bottom fan to get the full amount of airflow. it also happens that the dust filter for the 650d is shaped in a vertical rectangle so it blocks the sides of the single 200mm fan, but it is just the right shape for 2X 120mm's it doesnt block them at all ;)

Looking forward to see more from your new build! I bet you're excited to play around with it ;)
 
Hey,
thanks! the noise is not even in the same league.

the front fans make the exact same amount of noise now as the top ones (which is not much at all) with all 4 noctuas running at their full 1200rpm speed you can hear it a bit but it really almost not even noticeable, with all the fans on their low noise rpm (800rpm) they are near silent and still move a massive amount of air. Noctua really is an amazing brand the performance and silence you get is just unbelievable.

If you use the stock fans or other types of fans I imagine you will be able to get it to be quieter with spacers or grommets, but the 200mm stock fans are much much louder than noctua fans at full speed.

The 200mm fans that come with the corsair are the type of fans that are obviously not even trying to be quiet at full speed. They do 1000rpm max and they are immensely loud at that rate, even without the mesh at the front. You can run them at around 600 rpm and they are not bad at that pace, but 2X 120mm Noctua fans at their full speed is about as quiet as the one corsair fan at 600rpm. If I had to guess I'd say the Corsair is at least 40bBA because the 600T fans at 800rpm and they are 24dBA, but the ones that come in the 650D are almost half as loud at 800rpm then they are at 1000, its 800rpm and above that they get really loud.

I'd say definitely add spacers or grommets to whatever fan you use at the front because it really does make all the difference.

Yes, he is a really technical person (he is an Electronics Technician) and he's really good with that sort of stuff. Just be really careful when you do it though if you do because the hole that the screw goes though just has a tiny bit of plastic around it so it is easy to burn right through it if you're not careful.

I'm not sure what the LP mounting bases are? What are they used for mounting

I'm excited to see what you come up with!

Sorry , I should have stated a little better, LP=low profile.
I was referring to the zip tie mounts that you were telling me about , I found some but they aren't as flat as the ones you have. I'm still looking for some though.
 
Sorry , I should have stated a little better, LP=low profile.
I was referring to the zip tie mounts that you were telling me about , I found some but they aren't as flat as the ones you have. I'm still looking for some though.


Ah sorry man I know what you mean, for some reason I just did not make the connection when I read it! If you can find good ones then they are lovely, like I said they just give you that added flexibility to do any layout you want with cables vs being stuck with the routes that are possible using only the stock cable tie loops in the case.
 
Have also done the same as you mate, new tread to my build :D
- Have do you make that fast link in your signature whit the next ? Cant get my to work :/
 
Have also done the same as you mate, new tread to my build :D
- Have do you make that fast link in your signature whit the next ? Cant get my to work :/



looking now!

when you go to edit your signature it's the name layout as a new post on here, you select the text you want to make a link for then click the "insert link" icon at the top of the editor and paste your link there.
 
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