WYP
News Guru
Expect even better gaming performance from Zen 4 when V-Cache is added.
Read more about AMD's rumoured Zen 4 V-Cache processors.
Read more about AMD's rumoured Zen 4 V-Cache processors.
AMD's reportedly launching V-Cache enhanced Ryzen 7000 series CPUs at CES 2023
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NeverBackDown
AMD Enthusiast
Upgrade in 6 months sounds like you may as well wait. As alien said you'd probably end up saving money by waiting while getting more performance
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
I personally wouldn't buy anything AM5 related for another year at the very least, DDR5 prices are still way too high and with this being AMD's first DDR5 platform, 1st gen buyers will be beta testers.
AngryGoldfish
Old N Gold
Don't get me wrong, you could be right, but I personally think this prediction is a bit blown out of proportion and not really that well-founded. Just because Zen 1 had these issues doesn't mean Zen 4 will. AMD have had a long time with the Zen architecture and its different versions, and so have software and hardware developers. They didn't have the infrastructure, finances, or time back then—but they do now. Adding to that, DDR5 has already been out with seemingly no major issues on Intel's Alder Lake platform.
I remember part of the issue people were having with motherboards on Zen 1 was because motherboard manufacturers had no real idea whether it was going to be a success. They didn't want to invest endless hours fixing bugs for a platform that might fail. Same goes for the RAM. DDR5 has been out a while now, and RAM developers recognise that AM5/Zen 4 will be one of their biggest sellers of DDR5 modules over the next few quarters. That tells me they'll be doing everything they can to fix bugs now before the release, and quickly after the release once they crop up. Zen 4 is a major release, far bigger than Zen 1. Far more money is involved.
DDR5, the new AM5 socket, the new chipsets, they're not widely different designs to what was before. I personally think the teething problems will be fewer than with Zen 1 and not take a whole new revision to resolve as with Zen+ or Zen 2. But that's just my prediction.
Avet
Active member
Buying PC is like number 2. If you gotta go, you gotta go.
If your PC died, or just doesn't perform as well as you need it to you go to the store and pick the parts that fit in your budget. Maybe you can hold it for a short time (same as No.2). For PCs it is not more than a month or two.
AlienALX
Well-known member
Buying PC is like number 2. If you gotta go, you gotta go.
The reason I say don't buy now is because there is much better coming.
From what I have seen, and by AMD's own admission (ignoring their cherry picked benchmarks) this is between 9 and 13% faster in IPC than a 5000 series.
OK, it has higher clocks* but the IPC gain for a 2nm shrink from 7-5 is, IMO, pretty pathetic. Intel have managed that before on a refresh of 14nm.
I know many people will disagree, but I just think they are going to be disappointing. Everything so far is pointing toward that. The rushed pushed forward launch, the fact that they even said they were making DDR4 boards for it (and have now fallen silent) and so on.
What I mean by there is better coming - there is ! AMD's own 3D cache versions, which will be faster. I would wait for those. As a new platform? it totally is not worth it. 13% at best, and you have to buy RAM that costs over double what DDR4 does.
*coming back to these clocks. They sure look much higher. However, as I know from the past, that will be on one core, if you are lucky. The actual overall total clocks on all cores has not even been listed yet. So there are some smoke and mirrors here, and certainly IMO enough to make me hesitant to say rush out and buy it.
Then again I am quite probably the only one on here who thought Ampere was crap and disappointing. I suppose every one saw Nvidia's fake prices and lost their s**t because they thought it was going to be cheap. And a lot of that is happening these days. Fake RRPs, fake boost clocks at launch (that are then dialled in after the reviews when cards start crapping their pants) and so on. IE, a lot of fake news going on, which young people seem to eat up like fools.
I don't buy that crap. Like I said, if it smells of fish? chances are it's fish. And this all smells a bit fishy to me. It's common knowledge now that the 5800X 3D is much faster than a 5800X. So why are AMD seemingly taking a step backward, and launching the ones without it first? Surely with such a good technology they wouldn't even bother *not* using it?
Or is it that they want you to buy this. And then in six months time immediately replace it with what they should have released the first time.
That s**t just REEKS of the Intel of old to me.
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I'm gonna sit back, take in the reviews and zero in on the best motherboard and ram for my needs. I'll wait till these v-cache jobbies are out (in 16 core format) - the sweetspot for Zen 3 was 2 sticks of 16GB 3600, have a feeling that 64GB in 2 sticks of 32GB will be the new standard. Saw a tweeted Aida 64 result of DDR5 6000/40 and it was 98, 87, 89GB/s for R, W and Copy which is not too shabby at all.
Dicehunter
Resident Newb
I personally just wouldn't buy anything from AMD's first foray into DDR5, AngryGoldfish made a good point that it's not like AMD are starting from scratch but I remember when both AMD and Intel moved to DDR2, Then DDR3, Then DDR4, For the first 2 years we were not getting the best speeds/timings.
If I was a 5000 series owner looking to buy something new I'd skip 7000 and wait it out for 8000, Get a bigger NVME, New monitor, New peripherals but actual main hardware just skip. Same goes for Intel 12th gen owners even though it will be Intels 2nd gen DDR5 platform, I'd still wait it out, By the time Meteorlake and Ryzen 8000 comes out we'll have a vastly better/broader choice of DDR5 that's a lot faster, Better timings, Lower prices etc...
AlienALX
Well-known member
Yup. Good DDR5 (IE the fast stuff that's worth having) costs double what the "cheap stuff" costs. £150 for 4800, with awful timings, making it slower than some DDR4.
Like Intel AMD have not provided a compelling enough reason to make the investment. To me these CPUs would have been great, had it not been for the fact that you have to buy DDR5.
Intel 11 series to 12 series was every bit the same improvement but you could use DDR4.
And RL is set to launch soon, and you can use DDR4. I'd imagine that's why this is happening now.
I swear I remember AMD caving and saying they were going to include DDR4 support. I could swear they said it when Intel launched Alder lake. Yet here we are and it's vanished like a fart in the wind.
